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[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 183 points 6 days ago (15 children)

The last stars will burn out in 120 trillion years

We think. We still haven't solved things like the dark matter/energy problem. The answer to that alone could drastically change what we estimate will happen in the distant future.

[–] Afaithfulnihilist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Stuff only burns for so long. We might learn more about the geometry of space and that there is more out there at greater distances where maybe even other Big bangs are possible but there is a certain maximum amount of time that a star can exist.

Over the time scales of the life of a proton the maximum variability in the amount of time a star can burn is a rounding error against the scale of numbers needed to express the amount of time it takes for hawking radiation to reduce black holes to ultra long wavelengths of infrared radiation.

[–] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 28 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Yes, but we don't have proof that universe can't generate new matter. For all we know there is a mechanism in universe not yet observed that can create new matter out of little vacuum and more stars will keep forming.

So technically all we can say is, it's likely that stars will die out in 1000 trillion years.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 25 points 6 days ago (8 children)

Yes, but we don’t have proof that universe can’t generate new matter.

True... we also don't have proof there isn't a tea pot orbiting our Sun since it's creation, either.

However, there's also a complete lack of evidence of it.

You cannot prove a negative. The evidence says no new matter can be created. No evidence that new matter gets created. Therefore, we work on the model of no new matter creation.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 14 points 6 days ago (5 children)

On these scales, the accuracy of our observations should reduce our confidence though. It doesn't make sense to confidently say that, in 200 trillion years there will be no stars, because our observations of the rate of new matter creation (approximately zero) have a margin of error which allows for there to still be some

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[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 43 points 5 days ago (16 children)

This is the main reason why, if you come across a genie in a lamp, you should probably not wish for immortality. You're gonna be hellafuckin bored for a loooooooong time.

[–] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I don't want to imagine the level of procrastination I would have if I were immortal.

[–] EldenLord@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

I would wish for a life that ends when I want it to. Like the numenoreans had in LoTR

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Just one trillion years will do

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[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 51 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Also see Dyson's Eternal Intelligence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson%27s_eternal_intelligence

Basically, if you assume it's possible to upload our intelligence to a computer and run it, then you can keep the energy going to run it for a very, very long time. Well past the heat death of the rest of the universe. It depends on running things in an on and off state to conserve energy for trillions of years. Subjectively, the people in there wouldn't notice that and would simply see their active lifespans go for trillions of years. It's not clear what the limit would actually be.

It's something like Zeno's Paradox. You cut things in half each cycle, but never quite get to zero.

[–] emmanuel_car@fedia.io 24 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I like to watch them when I need a good existential crisis

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[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I cannot express in words just how much I do not want my consciousness to persist, trapped, for trillions of years of darkness. That would be unimaginable hell.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 6 days ago (3 children)
[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 6 days ago

I'd delete them at the end of session, like any lemming would.

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[–] erusuoyera@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

with only a finite initial store of energy, only a finite number of thoughts can ever be processed. This "thermal death" of the universe prevents the infinite hibernation and computation trick from working, thus rendering Dyson's eternal intelligence scenario impossible in a universe with a positive cosmological constant.

My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.

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[–] Illogicalbit@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Tangentially related great sci-fi short story: “The Last Question” by Isaac Asimov: https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~gamvrosi/thelastq.html

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[–] VivianRixia@piefed.social 40 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Thus began the Age of Fire. But soon the flames will fade and only Dark will remain.

[–] LapGoat@pawb.social 12 points 6 days ago (4 children)
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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 32 points 6 days ago (2 children)

We're doing a pretty bang up job of making that one second as stupid and painful as possible.

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[–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 32 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Does thinking about the long dark make anyone else feel like they are going to vomit?

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 28 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The chances of me living long enough to actually be effected by it are so slim that I'm completely unconcerned about it.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And if you could live so long it would invalidate basically everything we know of physics. So the long dark wouldn't actually come.

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[–] Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Want to live forever? Tough. Cos even if you could stop your body from growing old and dying, the planet is going to get too warm and nothing will be able to live on it. Then the sun will expand and destroy the planet. But even if you could leave the planet, theres no where close by to get too that wont have the same problems later on. But even if you could get to another solar system, same thing happens again. But then eventually the universe runs out of hydrogen and its fucked. Or the universe gets spread too thin, and its fucked. Or some fucking quantum field takes a shit, and creates a bubble of true vacuum that expands at the speed of light and everything's fucked.

Im fucked, youre fucked, the earth is fucked, the solar system is fucked, the galaxy is fucked, the local cluster is fucked, its all just fucked. One way or another. At some point nothing exists except an endless absence of anything. Not even nothing will exist...

And people say there are no good arguments for weekly drug fuelled sex orgies...

[–] pyrflie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

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[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (3 children)

This always blows my mind to think that we are here and we are experiencing this life and in the grand scheme of things its so fleeting, but that it all came from somewhere and its all going to die eventually. Could it really be true that there will just be nothing for eternity after this? Or are we not just a random chance in a previous eternity. Can we ever really know or is it all just our best guess?

Its humbling but also makes me feel even more like life is important and should be taken seriously.

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

coulda said trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion and saved us a little time

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago (5 children)

we still have 120 trillion years left. we can spare the time for a few extra words

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[–] FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago

That's neat, stars are just the sparks after the big bang, and "soon" that energy will be gone. Even with all the bad shit happening, it makes me happy to be alive in this beautifully short window of time in the universe, even if our little dust speck circling a spark is a bit fucked up sometimes

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] 4grams@awful.systems 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Honestly, this factoid is the closest thing to a real Total Perspective Vortex that I’ve ever felt.

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[–] habs@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 6 days ago (7 children)

What happens after the 10^106 years of black holes?

[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 29 points 6 days ago (9 children)

The black holes evaporate eventually.

After that, depends on who you ask. Most physicists would say something like “as close to nothing as possible”. Penrose would say at a certain point when nothing can interact with anything else, distance loses meaning, which makes the universe and a singularity equivalent, so then things restart.

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[–] janewaydidnothingwrong@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Wont there also be balls of iron-56 just chilling?

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[–] HyonoKo@lemmy.ml 17 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I think the passing of time, as in waiting, is an experience of the mind. Without a waiting mind, the length of time is just another number out there, like the distance between the edges of the universe. If after the dark finale of this universe there exists another event that spawns a conscious mind, there is no actual waiting happening between this universe bright, starry second and the next one.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 6 days ago

Time can stretch and squish and follow physical rules, if the passage of time is an experience of the mind time itself would remain existent without minds just as real as distance and the passage of distance via movement between objects would remain without minds.

One interesting thing I heard is the DESI data from a telescope observatory in Arizona that was trying to build a more accurate map of the universe identified the dark energy acceleration as slowing. That could mean if the trend continues eventually gravity will overpower dark energy and everything collapses back together again. I don't think it's conclusive, but it is evidence maybe heat death isn't an ending phase.

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

We live in but a bright second, yet are determined to fill it with darkness unending.

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 6 days ago

Anthropic Principle moment

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 8 points 6 days ago (13 children)

I just had a moment of what is everything

I don't know how to explain it but from nothing to something to nothing again but no why

[–] ynthrepic@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (10 children)

The 'why' is us.

Without consciousness in the universe, there might as well not be a universe.

[–] theywanttocontrolyou@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Typically something a consciousness would say.

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Like living in a slow motion explosion on a spec of dust

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