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[–] narr1@lemmy.ml 113 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'd find it almost funny, how much capitalism as a system seems to favor those who are most capable and willing to detach morality from their actions for capital gain, if it weren't so sad.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There are good criticisms of other economic systems that have been tried, but capitalism really seems designed to transfer the most power and resources to the greediest and least ethical.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 24 points 1 week ago

No but you don’t understand.

Capitalism works because it pits everyone against each other and so even though every single person is greedy and unethical, they begrudgingly improve society overall because of reasons.

All we have to do is make sure we teach every child that all humans are fundamentally greedy and evil and the only ethical response is to out-greedy and out-evil them.

And then we’ll have a prosperous society!

  • Adam Smith basically
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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 85 points 1 week ago (6 children)

We should end tipping culture. Wages should never be optional, and anyone working full time should be paid by their employer a living wage as described by FDR when the minimum wage was created.

Until we end tipping culture, tip your servers. You're not some edgy social justice warrior by quoting Mr. Pink and acting like keeping your two dollars is somehow helping. You're just an asshole.

[–] Corn@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The whole point of that scene was that even a room of psychotic killers was disgusted by the idea of not tipping.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's amazing how many people saw it and said, "You know, the crazy-eyed murderer makes a good point."

[–] hark@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

A person who does something wrong can still be right about other things. Tipping is an idiotic system.

[–] unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 week ago (14 children)

Until we end tipping culture, tip your servers.

If everyone continues to tip by default, then I believe this will delay or prevent an end to the culture. If servers don't have an issue with tipping (because everyone does so), then there is less reason to support change.

If one person doesn't tip:

You're just an asshole.

If a large majority doesn't tip:

Maybe there is a problem with tipping by default?

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[–] asret@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 week ago (18 children)

The single best thing people can do to end tipping culture is to just stop tipping.

Vote for social safety nets or make donations to care for those who will be harmed by this.

But right now it's people like you that are perpetuating tipping culture.

And yes, I am an asshole - but it's not solely because of my stance on tipping.

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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well in Australia we don't have tipping.

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[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (7 children)

No your tips become profit for the greedy assholes who own the restaurant, you aren't compensating for non tippers, you are compensating for greedy cunts not paying people a living wage and the fact that most Americans can't understand this and are agreeing with the post calling people who don't tip as rude is why tipping is never gonna leave this fucked up country

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[–] Please_Do_Not@lemm.ee 22 points 1 week ago (8 children)

In the US, servers and restaurant staff tip like 100% of the time they go out because they know how important it is with our current pay laws, and they know that the waiter expecting that tip isn't the one making the laws or who deserves to be punished for them. So that tip is almost always going to someone else who also tips.

Btw, don't bother arguing with me that tipping is wrong so we shouldn't do it. I agree that it's wrong, but abstaining punishes the wrong people (servers, not owners or policymakers). So instead of writing a comment, write a letter to you local govt to eliminate sub-minimum wages for tipped workers, and keep tipping poor waiters and drivers til they change something.

[–] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

All the things I've read say that a majority of tipped workers (as well as the general population) prefer the current tips system. Maybe it's not true, but looking at the comments here it seems accurate.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Former tipped employee here. This is probably correct, but I don't care. The majority is often wrong. They can be educated. Change is scary, and the people who benefit from the status quo demonize changes that will give them less power.

I would probably have made less money if paid a salary, but it would be worth it to not have to balance priorities between getting a good tip and following restaurant policies.

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[–] exasperation@lemm.ee 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This comment section is all people missing the point.

The point of the post is that a particular job will generally stabilize at a particular pay. If it's a tipped position, then the employer will pay less, so that the overall income is roughly at that stable income for that position, including the overall average tip.

So people who tip less than the average are free riding off of the people who tip more than average, where that worker will make an average tip overall, which comes more from the generous tippers than the stingy tippers. Thus, it effectively transfers money from generous tippers to stingy tippers, on net, in the long run.

The merits of this system, whether servers deserve to be paid more, whether we should push for reforms so that this isn't the system, is besides the point. The post is making an observation of how things actually are, not advocating for how things should be.

[–] cyberblob@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 1 week ago (5 children)

No worker should depend on tips. Problem solved

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[–] GandalftheBlack@feddit.org 20 points 1 week ago (28 children)
[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 36 points 1 week ago (8 children)

If you're somewhere like Australia or Japan, where it's not a normal part of the culture, then fine

If you're somewhere in the US where the laws around pay are shitty, and people rely on tips to survive, then you're a cunt for not tipping

I think tipping is shit, and that people should just be paid properly, but I'm not blind to the realities of life when I travel. So I do what is appropriate to be a decent person

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[–] Pnut@lemm.ee 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I'm Canadian. Servers now make minimum wage. I have stopped tipping. It doesn't make any sense that a server who is making above minimum wage has to rely on customers paying a gratuity. Where were my tips when I was a lifeguard? Or a tour guide? I didn't get a bonus for doing a good job landscaping. I'm not angry at the servers. I'm upset at the ones who blame customers for the shady business that they help keep open.

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

well yeah, that's why donations don't work either, somehow. consider:

if you're the person always donating to charity, and nobody else does, you're essentially providing the community service that should be provided by the community taxes. instead, you pay it all yourself. that's why taxes have to be enforced by the community: the first one to donate suffers a disadvantage, but if a general rule says everybody must pay taxes/donate at the same time, nobody loses.

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[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Tipping is basically donating money to the waiting staff (in a broader sense, to the management of the restaurant).

I think there are more people in need of donations than the ones who move your food 10 steps.

I would 10000% pick my own food and cary it to the table, as I often do in many """lower class""" restaurants (diners?)

That, or add a flat service charge, add it to the check and pay fucking taxes (this is directed to the management).

I don't tip. But I don't live in the US.

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[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Tipping is one of the only reasons to carry cash

I like to pay by card and hand the waiter a bill or two so they aren't giving half of their tip to management

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