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[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 81 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

They're openly disdainful of all things Open Source and OSI, and their software is not Open Source.

They're a fully for-profit company using consumer rights kind of rhetoric to manipulate people in service to FUTO's own pocketbook. Don't fall for their use of the .org tld or promises to "never abuse customers".

I've written many times about what assholes FUTO is. I'm fully convinced they're way more part of the problem than part of the solution and they're not to be trusted.

They've soured me on Rossman. Back when he was doing coverage of things like the court cases around right to repair and tractors and stuff, I watched a few videos of his and thought he was awesome. And then he got involved with FUTO and started billing Grayjay as "Open Source" and I've gotten sufficiently disillusioned with FUTO that I haven't followed Rossman at all. I've got coworkers changing their avatars to Clippy and shit, and I believe their hearts are in the right place, but I can't in good conscience really get behind anything or anyone associated with FUTO.

Edit: Oh. I honesty didn't even see this OP was a link to an article. Lol. Now I'm very interested to go read that article.

Edit 2: Shite. I've now read the article. I knew FUTO was assholes in a lot of different ways, but now I know how deeply, completely irredeemable they really are.

[–] ChocolateFrostedSugarBombs@lemmy.world 33 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Son of a removed! I'm so fucking tired of this... Everywhere you look you gotta examine EVERYTHING about a company/group because they might be fascists now...I love Grayjay, it was working so great and I loved the proclaimed mission...I was even trying to get FCast to work since I lost casting ability when I moved to Linux...

I'm just gonna take a break over here for a bit.

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[–] seraphine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

WHY. GODDAMN WHY is it lately that any organization behind products i like turn out to be extreme assholes? we're on a streak atm i feel like

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago

Libertarians like privacy too and are right wingers.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 days ago

capitalism and the profit motive, probably.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 72 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (23 children)

Why does every mobile keyboard developer have some controversial shit. I just want to text in peace.

[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Anything on HeliBoard too?

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The only thing I dislike of heliboard is their swipe function requires Google binaries. Most FOSS keyboards either lack some feature I use or are immersed in wild controversies.

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[–] amearb@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Does FlorisBoard have controversial shit too?

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No, but they are forever beta. They still lack a ton of features I use.

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[–] arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 61 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Wolf also was spouting about how great Trump is and how "woke" shit is ruining society or whatever in January IIRC. I briefly trawled through their social media when I was investigating their keyboard, Grayjay, and Immich and promptly decided to never, ever give them money.

Note that their keyboard doesn't require network (at least as of now), so if you don't give them money or promote it to other people, they don't really benefit.

EDIT: Also, there are claims Rossman has a Kiwi Farms account and is at least somewhat active there. I haven't investigated those very thoroughly though.

[–] turtl@lemmy.ml 23 points 6 days ago (3 children)
[–] arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 28 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Interestingly, according to one of his recent-ish comments, he left FUTO in February.

[–] Static_Rocket@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Yeah, not sure how much he's distancing himself from FUTO related things though. He brought up grayjay recently, but only specifically to talk about the devs comments on recent Texas app store legislation. Kind of a wash.

Given he is playing politician now, I don't think he's going to make a public statement about it. Not only would it hurt his influence but it would probably stall out any ongoing negotiations regarding right to repair. Shit sucks in general.

[–] prex@aussie.zone 12 points 6 days ago

JFC can there be nothing pure in this world?

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[–] khaleer@sopuli.xyz 7 points 4 days ago

There we go, farawell grayjay then!

[–] Codilingus@sh.itjust.works 37 points 6 days ago
[–] doeknius_gloek@discuss.tchncs.de 54 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I've always had a weird feeling about FUTO, but I thought them giving money to open source projects can't be that bad. Now I hope they don't fuck up Immich.

[–] ShortN0te@lemmy.ml 28 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Luckily thanks to their licensing model they basically cannot. Immich has according to github as of now 1606 contributors. Changing the license so that there could even be a proprietary fork would require basically the ok by every contributor (that made a relevant code contribution)

[–] Ferk@lemmy.ml 22 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

And even if they did somehow manage to get permission to switch the license, all previous versions would still be open in perpetuity so a fork would come easily. Immich source isn't only open, and not only GPL.. but AGPL-3.0 which is as copyleft as you can get.

[–] kureta@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 days ago

Thank God! That's a relief. I thought I was going to have to redo my entire photo library hosting stuff.

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[–] beyond@linkage.ds8.zone 14 points 5 days ago

I've always been an outspoken skeptic of FUTO (check post history) and their bizarre campaign against free software, but I didn't know they were this bad. Yikes

[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago

Aw man I knew there was something wrong here. I gave them money for the keyboard and the voice talk and immich bcz I was a Rossman fan. They played him and me. Fuck these fascists.

[–] wax@feddit.nu 36 points 6 days ago (2 children)

FUTO is also involved with Immich 🫤

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

They just bragged with v2 release how they "survived the controversial move to join FUTO" ...

I love Immich & use it a lot :(.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 days ago

Try Ente Photos, I like it more.

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[–] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 23 points 6 days ago (17 children)

FUTO is more or less openly fascists

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[–] Catalyst_A@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Shit I really liked them. Their keyboard is incredible and Grayjay is hard to replace on desktop. But I'll get started on replacing them. Any ideas on a good keyboard that's open-source? Not anysoftkeyboard or mantis. Tried them.

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[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

EDIT: Apparently louis left futo some number of months ago, thank you to another user for letting me know in a reply below

This is informative, and unfortunate.

I will be honest, I don't really expect louis will wade into this issue at all, since he seems to be very uncomfortable with any of the "political" or partisan aspects of the issues he covers.

I can empathize with why one might be that way, but I hope I'm wrong, it would be rather disappointing.

Maybe it's time for me to open some feature requests on the helicopter repo for futo keyboard features I'd really miss if I left it behind... It'd be good for both projects to be feature rich and competitive anyway

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[–] dabe@lemmy.zip 25 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Maybe Louis Rossman will see this and beat FUTO back into shape? Maybe? Please? I just want one good outcome here!!

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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 18 points 6 days ago

Gross. Fuck FUTO.

[–] HotChickenFeet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'll take a look at the interviews later tonight.

A few minor items stuck out as a bit disingenuous to me:

The donation page that FUTO used includes this explanation: “This offer is for individuals, and may be available to small organizations on request. Commercial entities wishing to be listed as sponsors should inquire by email.” It’s pretty clear that there are special instructions for institutional donors who wish to receive musl’s endorsement as thanks for their contribution.

It DOES say that, but literally only for the "monthly contribution > 150 section. For a one time grant of 1000 dollars, it doesn't appear to say anything.

FUTO appears to list efforts it has donated to (and use their name/logo), under the title, "Our sponsored grant programs". Which to me seems more of a semantic argument of whether they can say they've donated to something or not.

The inclusion of a logo without permission is a good critique, nonetheless. Likewise, if they are lying about donating to some of these projects, that is a problem.

  • The author makes a point of complaining about a video posted to odysee. There are not many great options for posting videos outside of Youtube. That FUTO would post videos to multiple other youtube alternatives, including odysee and peertube does not seem like a surprise to me. Not saying anything about the video though, until I've sat and watched.
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[–] Tencho@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Wait is Louis still attached to the project? I thought he left to focus on a new company.

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

FFS, so what's a keyboard that isn't shitty and invasive?

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[–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

Sorry but this person is treating grapheneos' attacks on other groups as legitimate which throws the entire article into question. If they are happy to provide a platform for graphene's founder's paranoid conspiracies I can't trust the content.

Seems clear there's some questionable shit going on, but the only evidence presented is two YouTube videos which isn't actually a lot. I wouldn't be surprised based on this to hear there are deeper links, but this article is written by someone who thinks tweets and YouTube comments are evidence.

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[–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 14 points 6 days ago (7 children)

God fucking damnit. I just like the on device speech-to-text functionality. Anyone have any recs for another service that does the same thing.

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