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Forget the far right. The kids want a โ€˜United States of Europe.โ€™ (www.politico.eu)
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[โ€“] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The Politico, is an American political digital newspaper company founded by American banker and media executive Robert Allbritton in 2007.[4
Owner Axel Springer SE
Axel Springer SE (German: [หˆakslฬฉ หˆสƒpสษชล‹ษ ษ›sหˆeห]) is a European multinational mass and online media company, based in Berlin, Germany.
Key people Mathias Dรถpfner (CEO and chairman of the management board)
Ralph Bรผchi (chairman of the supervisory board)
Board member of Netflix, Inc. Warner Music Insider Inc

Yeah, I can see why they want to focus on their investments. They want to own Europeans too.

[โ€“] Telorand@reddthat.com 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Itโ€™sย to generate a sense of agency, vision and possibility at a time when bullying from Trump, expansionism from Russia and competition between U.S. and China have left young Europeans feeling powerless.

As a non-wealthy American, we feel powerless, too. And I have to say, the notion of demoting countries in the EU to states is a terrible idea. It hasn't worked well in the US, and all that it would achieve is centralizing power away from the people and into the hands of those who can buy power. Bigger government โ‰  better country, especially at a time in history when billionaires exist.

Grow the EU, by all means, but your individual countries working together is what makes you great.

[โ€“] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The problem in the US is not the federation aspect but how much central power is in the head of state and that there is barely anything stopping them. As can be seen currently

[โ€“] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Whereas one could argue that the eu has the opposite problem. Too many parts and people with power but more opaque and hidden from the public. Some more centralization could help but too much is problematic.

[โ€“] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes. A federal system. Germany and Switzerland are the two nations whos system is often proposed to be applied on EU scale

[โ€“] Telorand@reddthat.com 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you do achieve a federal system, I sincerely hope you do better than we have done. Good luck, y'all, and I mean that!

[โ€“] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

...we already are doing better with these systems. These systems exist and work

[โ€“] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I would recommend verifying that your government doesn't have 3/4 of the system based solely on gentleman's agreements, non-codified precedent, and rules that the politicians can change on their own at any time.

Also replace any sort of First Past The Post election system of there is one, clearly it just allows a minority to take over once they are smart enough to do the math.

FPTP results in an inevitable two party system over time, and it only takes one of them realizing they don't actually need a majority, and can ignore the other party if their goal is destroying the institution getting in their way.

Fundamentally that's all it has taken for the US to come to this point so quickly. One party, with power fueled by the FPTP system, who are trying to make the government function poorly to the point they can justify unilaterally changing it.

[โ€“] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

All you listet doesnt apply to german election system and its not gentlemens agreement. Bundesrat bundestag in germany and switzerland and the Switz chambers are with laws and rules. Germanys system was litterly created to ensure such as nazis wont take power ever again

[โ€“] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Germanys system was litterly created to ensure such as nazis wont take power ever again

He says without a hint of sarcasm despite the AfD existing and growing.

[โ€“] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Growing is not the same as being

[โ€“] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

You're right... It first has to be... To grow.

[โ€“] Jayjader@jlai.lu 11 points 2 months ago

A Europe of sovereign regions, sounds great. A Europe of multinational corporations that uses the free market to enact a race to the bottom of quality of life just to ensure greater profits, please no.

There's a reason many of the "far left" (read: actual socdem, not milquetoast neolib) political parties here are more wont to evoke leaving the EU, even those that despise Putin.

[โ€“] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

VOLT ๐Ÿ’œ๐Ÿ’œ ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ

[โ€“] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The Left for me โค๏ธโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ but I can respect everyone who opposes fascism and authoritarianism, tbh

[โ€“] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Normally me too, but the german DIE LINKE is very pro russia and not for a unified european federation. Such a sad thing :(

WE EUROPE, THE BREACON OF DEMOCRACY! WE THE PEOPLE SHALL CARRY THAT TORCH AND BURN THE AUTHOTARIAN, NATIONALIST LEACHES!

The EU, we can agree needs LOTS of reform. empowering the parliament, more transparity and anti corruption, unified EU election laws, way better unitary workers rights and social systems aso! Lets not divide by ideas but work together on the future! Talk about ideas and not fight strawmen!

[โ€“] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How about the SPD or Grรผnen then? They're pretty good too.

[โ€“] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 months ago

Good joke!

[โ€“] ramenshaman@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As an American this seems like a bad idea.

[โ€“] schubidubiduba@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

American problems are rooted in Calvinism and the idea that everyone is entitled to everything around them if they can only grab it. Not federalism.

[โ€“] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Europe is of course famously immune to nationalism and exceptionalist rhetoric

(Not this is a bad idea but still, lmao at pretending it's just Calvinism of all things that's the danger in the home of colonialism and the Crusades)

[โ€“] schubidubiduba@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago

You are conflating a lot of different things and putting words in my mouth.

No country is free of problems. But the US in particular has so many issues that are significantly more obvious than something like federalism. So it is very unclear to me why you would single that out as having anything to do with the current state of that country.