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[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I think the author brings some interesting points, but ultimately I think it's a faulty premise.

The fediverse is whatever the user wants it to be. That's the whole point really. If you want a reliable communications platform with zero dropped messages, aka email 2.0, then you can definitely build that on the fediverse and people can join such a platform if that's what they want.

If that's not what you want... Well then don't join such a platform. Join another one. You do you.

We don't need anyone telling us how to communicate or consume content or whatever we want to do with the fediverse. The whole point of the fediverse is that everyone gets to decide for themselves, so there's no need to be prescriptive about any one approach.

[–] solrize@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

The premise isn't about the fediverse, it's about a culture shift. And re "join another one", um no, there are 14 competing standards and we don't need a 15th.

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 hours ago

Activitypub is already 15 different standards in a trench coat

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Fediverse platforms are not in competition with each other. In fact, it's more like symbiosis. There's no problem with having 15 or even 100 fediverse platforms.

Why do you need a culture shift if anyone can just pick whatever platform they personally prefer? If you want a certain cultural approach, then feel free to use a fediverse platform with that approach, but there's no need for anyone else to follow the same choice, unless they want to.

[–] solrize@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago

The culture shift is from communication to entertainment. Author describes some fediverse issues as symptoms, though they aren't always perfect matches.

[–] stabby_cicada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Pixelfed was my own "gotcha" moment because I never understood Instagram in the first place, and, in my eyes, Pixelfed was no better. But if you take that route, Mastodon is no better than Twitter.

I mean, yes? That's the point? Pixelfed is an Instagram clone, Mastodon is a Twitter clone, Lemmy is a Reddit clone, etc, etc. They are social media, not messaging apps with additional functionality. The difference isn't how they work but who controls the data (and how enshittified the user experience is).

The author spent a lot of words discussing the, what seems to me obvious, point that you can't guarantee any particular person sees your social media posts. And ActivityPub is a protocol for replicating the social media experience. Always has been.

[–] pglpm@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago

The problem with communication protocols was never the protocol part. It’s the communication part. A few sad humans never wanted to communicate in the first place and managed to become billionaires by convincing the rest of mankind that being entertained is better than communicating with other humans.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is not a new argument, but the author is a bit confused with the terms. Usually it is phrased as "social network" Vs. "social media".

Yeah, but there’s nothing social any more about that media.

[–] Imaginary_Stand4909@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I feel like the author is being a tad dramatic about Pixelfed. I think the whole "can't see text posts" issue could be solve with a simple "Let me see text posts" toggle, either for the overall feed or hashtags, or account, whatever. The more customizable the better.

My second point is, expecting to have one account to see EVERYTHING on the Fediverse is insanity. Do you expect a Peertube account to read Mastodon posts? A Funkwhale that can look at Misskey? I think servives like Masto, wafrn, and misskey/sharkey should make efforts to have embeded posts from media based services like Peertube/Funkwhale, but different services have different purposes. Some people on Threadiverse (Lemmy, Piefed, mbin) probably don't even have Masto accounts. Pixelfed's main goal is to be similar to Instagram, a place to post pictures/images. Instagram doesn't do walls of text, but if you really wanted to just write words and screenshot it. But why try to make something that "does it all"? We're getting mad at Facebook for doing exactly that, they have games, vertical videos (Tiktok), marketplace, live streams, groups, instant messaging, and more bullcrap. Pixelfed deserves to exist just as much as Mastodon does.

My final point is, some people don't want to do a whole blog in addition to their pic. Tumblr has a healthy blend of image and text capability, and some people just do text while others just do pictures. Some people just want to post a picture and communicate through that. Why does text have to weigh heavier than images? I feel it's a bit unfair to make it sound like people only see brainrot and sensory overload on Insta/media-focused services. I miss many artists from Instagram and Twitter, I wish they'd migrate to Pixelfed or Masto.

I say this as someone who barely uses either Masto or Pixelfed, because it's far harder to find content I'm interested in on there compared to Threadiverse. Here, we have neat, ordered communities where you get what it says on the tin. But you have to work to find what you want everywhere else, which would feel rewarding if we had the people and content to back it up.

[–] solrize@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

No idea about Pixelfed, which I don't use. I thought the article gave an interesting perspective on the internet in general, not just the fediverse. So the concrete stuff about Pixelfed, cross-fedi accounts, etc. didn't seem that important.

There are some interesting posters on Mastodon and also on Lemmy, but I think the fediverse in general is nowhere near what Usenet or Reddit used to be. No idea about Facebook or IG, both of which I stay away from, though there is a musician on IG who I was thinking of emailing to suggest cross-posting on Youtube.

[–] foodandart@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

NGL, I too am ready to jump back onto listservs. I used to have several e-groups that got bought by Yahoo then mothballed years later. Still pissed off about that.

Then again, I cut the cord for cable TV in 1999 when I got cable internet, and never looked back.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

Many journalists should feel called out by this.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Communicating is entertaining

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 4 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

No, that is precisely the point. There is a line to be drawn over that continuum (e.g. you don't go to talks, town halls and lectures to be entertained and be kept hooked on cliffhangers). The fact that everyone is competing for attention these days and that communicators have to become entertainers is a different problem. Look at Marshall McLuhan, Neil Postman...and Habermas too.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

So the main complaint is that Pixelfed clients don't display posts without images even if one has followed the poster? And thinks it incentivizes creation of using multiple accounts/apps when a single one to interact with ActivityPub would be better? That seems like a fair thing to criticize but it seems a little dramatic to paint it as entertainment killing communication.

[–] PixelPilgrim@lemmings.world 1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yeah I'm starting to think dansup projects aren't real fediverse projects since everyone seems to have issues with with them.

[–] whimsy@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I feel kinda similar about piefed to be honest. They seem to be going down the way of move fast and break things without regards for the activitypub protocol and fediverse in general. This will only cause more fragmentation

[–] Auth@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

"everyone" being an extremely small minority of people?

[–] PixelPilgrim@lemmings.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah I guess apathetic crowd is the vast majority.

[–] Auth@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Not apathetic, most people like Dans software.

[–] PixelPilgrim@lemmings.world 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Man this sounds like a slow pathetic fight and I'm supposed to like everything dansup has done

[–] Auth@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] PixelPilgrim@lemmings.world 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Said what? The thing I litterally just said?

[–] Auth@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (6 children)

No! No one said you are suppose to like everything hes done. The point is that majority of people like his projects. Its not apathy, people genuinely think his projects are good. If you still dont like them thats fine majority doesnt mean 100%. Please take a second to read the text on screen holy fuck.

[–] PixelPilgrim@lemmings.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Oh you need me to explain. I'm saying you want to argue but you're argue in this petty and slow way ultimately to get me to like everything dansup has done.

Obviously apathy is the majority position I have looked at the accounts to usage ratio and well it's increasing dropping. Implying that people just moved on and grown disinterested

[–] Auth@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Its only slow because you want an entire reply pretending not to know whats going on or engaging. If you think its petty just move on I dont care if you like what Dansup has done it makes no difference if a small minority of people hate it.

[–] PixelPilgrim@lemmings.world 1 points 7 hours ago

It's going slow now because you're talking about me talking instead of making your point. Sounds like it's over since I articulated my point pretty well.

[–] PixelPilgrim@lemmings.world 0 points 1 day ago

Yeah I guess apathetic crowd is the vast majority.

[–] PixelPilgrim@lemmings.world 0 points 1 day ago

Yeah I guess apathetic crowd is the vast majority.

[–] Imaginary_Stand4909@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The only thing stopping me from liking Pixelfed is the network effect (lack of content I want to see), and that's obviously out of anyone's control but society itself. Of course there are more features it could have (all fediverse services are constant WIPs), but I don't think Pixelfed is a bad client. Loops obviously needs work, but it has app clients, federated servers, and open code like any other Fediverse project. I don't understand what issues you or others are having?

[–] PixelPilgrim@lemmings.world 1 points 1 day ago

I think pixelfed would be the flagship dansup projects that should work. Too bad I only made an account then proceeded to do nothing with it.

With loops I just tried to help dansup, put pressure on him to see if he was gonna do anything with loops and he blocked me. That gave me the impression that loops wasn't going anywhere and I was half right the progress doesn't seem to be going in the fediverse direction but on other random features