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[–] RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca 4 points 52 minutes ago

Trump claims Greenland needs to be occupied to protect against Russia and China.

Russia could be defeated in Ukraine if the US hadn't stopped helping.

And so sorry to burst your bubble Trump, but you are accelerating the inevitable Chinese ascendency, and occupying Greenland will actually drive the rest of the world to them.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

This reads like Poland saying, "if Germany invades, the axis powers should defend us".

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 32 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Ironic as the only ones that invoked Article 5 of NATO has been the USA. Every other member has solved their problems on their own.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 47 points 9 hours ago (12 children)

Yup.

Other nations came to our aid, and sacrificed soldiers, for the U.S. after 9/11.

And now American conservatives are mocking and threatening those allies after what they did for us.

It's sickening.

I say conservatives, not Americans, because I don't consider conservatives to be Americans anymore. They don't align with American values. They don't respect our Constitution. And they certainly don't respect our allies.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 6 hours ago

I don’t consider conservatives to be Americans anymore

You should. They've got the dark rot of Americanism running through their veins worse than any of us.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 12 points 6 hours ago

Other nations came to our aid, and sacrificed soldiers, for Halliburton, Exxon, and racism after 9/11.

Lets not pretend Iraq and Afghanistan had anything to do with 9/11.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 9 points 7 hours ago

ALL conservatives are MAGA now, and ALL MAGAs are corrupt, traitors, racists, rapists, misogynists, ignorant, incompetent, and PEDOPHILES. It's a permanent, indelible stain that will follow each one of them individually, FOREVER.

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[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 27 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (6 children)

Funny that people say it would dissolve. NATO should stay intact after the US invasion. The alliance would just kick the US out.

Personally the UN should kick the United States out if they do invade. Then the UN needs to unite against the rogue United States. Sell all bonds and move their currency base. Wouldn't be pretty, but fighting the United States with conventional weapons won't end well. Crushing our economy and cutting trade is the real weapons that should be used.

[–] RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca 10 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (11 children)

It seems like there is no mechanism to kick a country out like that. What's more likely is that NATO will be de facto dissolved immediately, but this doesn't stop allied countries from working together anyway. If the Trump administration thinks that NATO is the only thing holding alliances together, I think they will be uncomfortably surprised.

Personally I think the real decision makers in the Trump administration actually want war, or at the very least don't care if they get it. We should just cut them off from everything. Make them react. I'm sick of playing the game. Just shit or get off the pot.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

The alliance would just kick the US out.

The alliance was created to guarantee US hegemony over Europe. It's predicated on dozens of US bases, US administered logistics routes, US contractors, US arms dealers, US surveillance.

You can't remove the US any more than you can tear out your own heart.

Europe will need to completely retrofit how it handles internal security. And - especially after Brexit - I just don't see the necessary level of cohesion between the members, absent a totalitarian hegemon like the Americans forcing Europeans together.

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