Love this, 100% accurate. QA people are amazing, protect us from ourselves in so many ways we didn’t even think of.
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I wish our test team was like that. Ours would respond with something like “How would I test this?”
Tester here, I only have to do this if the ticket is unclear / its not clear where impact can be felt by the change. I once had a project with 4 great analysts and basically never had to ask this question there.
We added an API endpoint so users with permission sets that allow them to access this can see the response.
Ok... What is the end point, what's the permission, is it bundled into a set by default or do I need to make one, what's the expected response, do we give an error if the permission is false or just a 500?
They always make it so vague
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But they still don't think of all common user possibilities. I like this joke:
A software tester walks into a bar.
Runs into a bar.
Crawls into a bar.
Dances into a bar.
Flies into a bar.
Jumps into a bar.
And orders:
a beer.
2 beers.
0 beers.
99999999 beers.
a lizard in a beer glass.
-1 beer.
"qwertyuiop" beers.
Testing complete.
A real customer walks into the bar and asks where the bathroom is.
The bar goes up in flames.
Most of the best QA folks I’ve worked with had teenage children.
I imagine dealing with developers is similar.
I love working with competent QA engineers. It's always a humbling experience.
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Hey! My company just fired ours today!
After all, most delays can directly be traced to the QA department. Wise business decision!
Yes, I second this. QA has caught so many things that did not cross my mind, effectively saving everyone from many painful releases
I've worked with some insanely talented devs who were amazed at some of the shit I was able to pull and we could have a laugh about it
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The programmer's answer?
We don't support that use case.
Still logs the issue
Dev sets status to won't do
Wait 2 months
P1 production issue: Exactly what I logged 2 months ago just written out worse
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Based on the only comparison we have, the OP is twice the age of their sister. so the sister is now 44/2, or 22. Easy problem.
Based on the only information we have, OPs sister is two. So the sister is 2. Trivial.
ML in action.
I'm working on a gameboy emulator and the amount of edge cases you have to consider feels just like this lol.
Fails to consider the case in which the 2-year-old sister is now male.
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I design software, another guy builds it, then I test it. I seem to have a really good intuition for ferreting out the edgiest of edge cases and generating bugs. Pretty sure he hates my guts.
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Am I an oddball in that as a developer, that QA answer is the sort of answer I give? It annoys management to no end.
A developer with a QA mindset is never a bad thing in my opinion. It makes sure issues are fixed earlier and saves time (and for management, money)
Nope, a good developer asks exactly the first thing with the birthdays. If you don't have proper data it's impossible to give the correct answer. This is the difference from an experienced developer to a junior.
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Didn't even consider leap years. Smh
That's the customer answer, where they give an age in leap years, and everything goes to pot.
Real talk: I wish more orgs place a high value on QA. A good QA team is worth it's weight in gold and helps prevent a lot of stupid mistakes.
I used to have a QA job. Can confirm, this is the soup in my head. That's why I was good at testing. Also, that's not your sister. That's your trans brother, who we also love. See?
If you were 4 and now you are 44 then you might be an integer variable. If sister is also a variable, we don't know when she was allocated. She might also be an integer constant in which case she's arguably immortal.
[Test]
public void Sister_IsAstronaut()
{
I'm a programmer and my answer would be more like the tester's answer.
But okay I also used to be a tester so this comment is probably invalid.
import birthday;
let myAge1 = 4;
let sisterAge1 = 2;
let myAge2 = 44;
let sisterAge2 = birthday.deriveAge(myAge1, sisterAge1, myAge2);
print(sisterAge2);
Any bugs should be reported upstream. Please open a tracking issue to sync changes with eventual upstream fixes.
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well she is half my age and that is a well known time invariant so she is 22
Really have to start with a definition of "now"
Managers when a tester does this in a planning meeting, asking for more time to write better teats: 😠
Managers when a staff level engineer does this in a post-fuckup root cause analysis meeting telling everyone what went wrong: 🤤
Managers when the tester points out it wouldn't have happened if tests for it had gotten written:
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This may be why I hated math.
Also, we first have to define more precisely what 'being 2' means. E.g., if we just count birthdays and one of them is born on Feb 29th in a leap year, that person 'ages' with 1/4 of the speed.
That's a good tester.
In my experience coders usually make absolutely terrible testers, testing only for the most inane case, or just positive cases (ie, it does the nominal case without bursting into fire).
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