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I think a little clarification is needed. No. I don't actually think everyone there is insane. I don't care about the bans so stop trying to use that. HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point

Edit: Feel free to keep trying to brigade me. It's not going to scare me to take this down

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[–] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Thank god for hexbear and lemmygrad though. Imagine the effort needed to block them all individually if spread over all the other instances.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's actually helpful to have safe spaces for hateful assholes so they can be corralled away.

[–] Steve@startrek.website 1 points 2 years ago

Its a safe space for them to be… away from me

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 points 2 years ago

Before instance blocking was a thing I blocked individual trolls wheb I saw them and after about the fifth block I didn't see a lot of hexbear, so it they have a few very loud individuals but instance blocking hexbear really made my browsing a lot more chill

[–] algorithmae@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And increasingly lemmy.ml, sadly

[–] Steve@startrek.website 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

lemmy.blahaj.zone? Really?

I mean the other two are authorian apologist idiot instances but blahaj?

[–] Steve@startrek.website 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Something about it rubbed me the wrong way

[–] amberSuperMario@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wonder what that something is? thonk-trans

[–] Faresh@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

lemmy.ml has non-unicode emojis?

[–] amberSuperMario@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Nah, not yet at least, I’m just borrowing a Hexbear emoji. If you view the source on a comment using a non-unicode emoji, you can see that it’s actually just an embedded image, which you can then copy and paste to use in comments from any instance. It’s a little unwieldy, but if you know the name of the emoji you want to use it’s usually pretty easy to find what you are looking for.

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

is everyone ~~in hexbear~~ insane?

Yes.

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Seconded

Source: am stupid monke

[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hexbear is sort of like a village of eldritch abomination worshippers in a Lovecraftian horror story - isolated, insular, entirely wrapped up in their own esoteric rituals and ideas and language, and immediately and collectively hostile to outsiders.

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Wow, this is such an accurate description of so many online communities that have come and gone over the years, nicely done.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

To be clear, this is coming from you getting banned for being a debate-pervert after you claimed Putin invaded Ukraine to "reinstate the USSR" as a secret Commie and refused to take a pro-Palestinian stance, equating Palestinian resistance with a century of settler-colonial genocide.

I think it's a bit terminally online to run away to a defederated instance to lick your wounds, rather than reflect on why being a debatebro is unhealthy.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Everyone knows Putin invaded Ukraine because he's a dumbass dictator who started to believe his own propaganda. It's the dictator trap. Putin surrounded himself with backstabbing yes men by literally killing anyone who wasn't.

As to Palestinian resistance. I don't think Hamas is a good resistance movement. For a whole host of reasons. Which is why the Israeli government has been propping them up since the 80s.

An unsympathetic resistance movement can do more to damage a cause than not having a movement at all.

From now until the ethnic cleansing is complete, Israel will call any resistance movement Hamas, regardless of their actual name or beliefs. I'm not sure how to fight that... I don't think anyone really knows beyond screaming the truth everywhere we can.

It didn't work in the 1920s in Europe. But maybe with the Internet... Likely not though.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Everyone knows Putin invaded Ukraine because he's a dumbass dictator who started to believe his own propaganda. It's the dictator trap. Putin surrounded himself with backstabbing yes men by literally killing anyone who wasn't.

Do you have any evidence of this? Could it be that there were economic factors at play, and rational actors, regardless of morality or immorality? This seems utterly vibe-based and lacks a materialist analysis, so I'd love evidence.

From now until the ethnic cleansing is complete, Israel will call any resistance movement Hamas, regardless of their actual name or beliefs. I'm not sure how to fight that... I don't think anyone really knows beyond screaming the truth everywhere we can.

Hamas isn't the only resistance group in Palestine, there are others such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. The key though is that Israel has been committing settler-colonial genocide for a century, oppressed peoples have a right to use violence against their oppressors, especially when non-violent means have tried and failed, and especially in the face of active genocide.

Equating Hamas to Israel equates resistance to genocide with genocide itself.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There was no economic or rational factors. The only thing that makes a lick of sense is the irrational.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/putin-dictator-trap-russia-ukraine/627064/

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2022/3/24/22982864/vladimir-putin-russia-ukraine-war-brian-klaas

Those are a warm-up, but then you have the purges since the invasion began.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-purges-in-putins-shrinking-inner-circle

Putin has sort of been the butt of jokes for years for killing anyone who looks at him funny. He's a KGB stooge, who made his career out of backstabbing and paranoia. His entire inner circle were afraid to tell him the truth, because he would kill them if they did.

He's never been "savvy", he's just been willing to kill as many people as necessary to secure his own power.

The classic authoritarian dictator who throws people out of windows for saying no. And whose vaulted military had body armor made of cardboard, because the corruption was so ingrained that every single level was accepting bribes and stealing shit.

I'm surprised that they're still going, but Russia has shown the world that they're a third rate military, at best.


As to Palestine. It doesn't matter what the resistance movements call themselves now. Israel will just say they're Hamas, and no one likes Hamas. There are good reasons not to like Hamas, they're religious extremists who want to kill all Jews.

And for decades, Israel has funded Hamas behind the scenes, while coming down extra heavy on any other resistance movement. And now it's all paid off for them because they can just claim that anyone they kill was actually Hamas.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/

This tactic of creating the perfectly detestable opposition has been used in quite a few places. For example, Greenpeace gets a lot of money from oil company heirs. Specifically the Rockefeller family.

I doubt anyone from Hamas, or Greenpeace, ever took orders from the people giving them money. They were given the money with no strings attached, because they were already jackasses. The money just extended their reach.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

There are absolutely rational reasons for Russia to invade Ukraine.

Looking back to the dissolution and subsequent plundering of the USSR, there became a rising Bourgeoisie within the Russian Federation. Since there wasn't already Imperialist infrastructure for the Russian Federation to exploit the Third World (large, monopoly and financial Capitalists with international footholds), Putin tried to join NATO and join hands with the rest of the Imperialist western nations, and take "their share" of the super-profits. This was denied, and thus began a long few decades of growing tensions between NATO and the Russian Federation.

Ukraine on the other hand has been increasingly militarized, with anti-Russian sentiments rising. NATO increased expansion against Russian requests, leading to Russia trying to forcibly demilitarize Ukraine.

Regardless of morals, there is a material basis for this conflict.

As for Palestine, again, the oppressed have the rights to use violence to free themselves, especially if non-violence hasn't worked, and in the face of genocide.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

That's some blatant Russian propaganda there. Blame NATO twice for Russian imperialism.

The "Russia had to invade a sovereign nation because they were talking about joining NATO to prevent Russia from invading them" logic has some holes to it.

The fact that Russia has invaded their neighbors 14 times since the end of the cold war tells you why one of their neighbors would want to join NATO.

Also, remember that time that Russia shot down a commercial airliner? The Ukrainians sure as hell do. That was the true beginning of the invasion, which is why Ukraine was in talks to join NATO.


And yes, people have the right to defend themselves. But the Israeli government has locked down the anti-terror propaganda, because Hamas is pretty vile as far as organizations go. It's why Israel let Hamas grow and become powerful, and why the Israelis paid to keep Hamas in power for the last decade or so.

As long as Israel can point at Hamas, they have just enough of an excuse to claim their ethnic cleansing is actually just an anti-terror campaign.

Hamas is a full on terrorist organization, not that all terrorist organizations are bad. Or rather, there are some causes where a terrorist organization is the appropriate response. John Brown tried it. So did Nelson Mandela. But Hamas is a religious extremist terrorist organization. One that has distasteful views, and was sort of put in place by Israel for those views.

You see what I'm getting at here? Hamas is fucking evil, and Israel has mostly succeeded in making Hamas the face of Palestinian resistance against Israel.

I doubt many of the original leaders of Hamas are still alive, but that doesn't matter either when Israel can just lie and say that whoever they kill is Hamas. It's a bit maddening, and I doubt there's an answer to it all except for the other Palestinian resistance groups to step up their social media game.

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[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Please tell me what a debate bro is for the people who don't know the terminology

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Someone who goes fishing for fights online.

[–] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you've heard of Chapo Trap House that's them. If not, most of those kids/idiots/trolls are the type of terminally online fake leftists that give other leftist a bad image in general. They were so ridiculous Reddit got tired of their shit and banned them a couple years back.

[–] SirDerpy@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Seeing the ban coming, they financed and suffered alpha and beta of the Lemmy platform we all enjoy. Then, they chose to become the most GLBTQ+ friendly destination on the internet.

As it's always been, they cope with the horrible events with satirical, sarcastic humor. And, in the middle of that will be a well-reasoned, nuanced, and quite serious post.

But, perhaps the part I like most is the struggle sessions. The entire community will heavily focus on a current topic, then hash it out with good faith discussion.

Their shit isn't convenient or comfortable. It's not easy to understand. And, I fucking love them for it.

edit: Lazy coders need choose a randomized target value and timing or be a moderator to avoid detection by the user. Perceiving is easy when your code is trash. Ask for help from an industrial engineer.

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah they kept being able to back the most ridiculous claims and then suddenly I was like "oh no they were right all along" and got radicalized 🤷

[–] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Coming up with theory in an echo chamber isn't hard.

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

and how they kept being able to back it up?

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[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I was bullied for off Lemmy.One by the hexbear mods who sent hexbear users my way to harass me...

All for (while I'm still a raging communist) not being a pro authoritarian communist.

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[–] hark@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you have any examples of this? Since world is defederated from that instance, I only end up visiting it when people like you come in and talk about how absolutely crazy it is over there, so occasionally I'll take a curious peek. This time I see... a post about Indigenous rights, a post criticizing capitalism, a post dunking on musk, a post about FOSS... when do I start seeing the crazy?

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They very quickly ban people who disagree with their propaganda. So just browsing, it looks like left leaning but generally sane people.

Go on there and say anything negative at all about China. You'll see the crazy.

[–] echolalia@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Have you considered you are just observing this:

Hexbear is for communists to talk to communists. They get plenty of the "default" liberal opinions from waves hands around vaguely and are entitled to their own community, no?.

Obviously if you go into Hexbear and just start posting anti-China stuff they're going to ban you. It's not like the English-speaking world is bereft of anti-China news articles.

[–] scoobford@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Many of them, yes. They're among the most radical of the leftist instances, which means that they attract a lot of propagandists and tankies. They have some perfectly reasonable people too, but you know, vocal minority. Its the main thing most people notice about those instances.

Many people block hexbear, Lemmy.ml, and lemmygrad for these reasons.

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