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TL;DR: Self-Driving Teslas Rear-End Motorcyclists, Killing at Least 5

Brevity is the spirit of wit, and I am just not that witty. This is a long article, here is the gist of it:

  • The NHTSA’s self-driving crash data reveals that Tesla’s self-driving technology is, by far, the most dangerous for motorcyclists, with five fatal crashes that we know of.
  • This issue is unique to Tesla. Other self-driving manufacturers have logged zero motorcycle fatalities with the NHTSA in the same time frame.
  • The crashes are overwhelmingly Teslas rear-ending motorcyclists.

Read our full analysis as we go case-by-case and connect the heavily redacted government data to news reports and police documents.

Oh, and read our thoughts about what this means for the robotaxi launch that is slated for Austin in less than 60 days.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 83 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Hey guys relax! It's all part of the learning experience of Tesla FSD.
Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

Regards
Elon Musk
CEO of Tesla

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (4 children)

P.S. Volunteers needed for the Mars mission as well.

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[–] 0x0@programming.dev 52 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

This is news? Fortnine talked about it two years ago.
TL;DR Tesla removed LIDAR to save a buck and the cameras see two red dots that the 'puter thinks it's a far away car at night when indeed it's a close motorcycle.

[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (3 children)

It's helpful to remember that not everyone has seen the same stories you have. If we want something to change, like regulators not allowing dangerous products, then raising public awareness is important. Expressing surprise that not everyone knows about something can be counterproductive.

Going beyond that, wouldn't the new information here be the statistics?

[–] JordanZ@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

My state allowed motorcycle filtering in 2019 (not the same as California’s lane splitting). They ran a study and found a ton of motorcyclists were being severely injured or killed while getting rear ended sitting at stop lights. Filtering allows them to move to the front of the traffic light while the light is red and traffic is stationary. Many people are super aggravated about it even though most of the world has been doing it basically forever.

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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 27 points 6 days ago (2 children)

the cybertruck is sharp enough to cut a deer in half, surely a biker is just as vulnerable.

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[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago

It’s because the system has to rely on visual cues, since Tesla’s have no radar. The system looks at the tail light when it’s dark to gauge the distance from the vehicle. And since some bikes have a double light the system thinks it’s a car in front of them that is far away, when in reality it’s a bike up close. Also remember the ai is trained on human driving behavior which Tesla records from their customers. And we all know how well the average human drives around two wheeled vehicles.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 31 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

I imagine bicyclists must be æffected as well if they're on the road (as we should be, technically). As somebody who has already been literally inches away from being rear-ended, this makes me never want to bike in the US again.

Time to go to Netherlands.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 9 points 6 days ago

this makes me never want to bike in the US again.

I live close enough to work for it to be a very reasonable biking distance. But there is no safe route. A high-speed "stroad" with a narrow little bike lane. It would only be a matter of time before some asshole with their face in their phone drifts into me.

I am deeply resentful of our automobile-centric infrastructure in the U.S. It's bad for the environment, bad for our wallets, bad for our waistlines, and bad for physical safety.

[–] poopkins@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (7 children)
[–] nulluser@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

Thank you for your service.

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[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 35 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sounds like NHTSA needs a visit from DOGE!

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[–] lnxtx@feddit.nl 36 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Stop dehumanizing drivers who killed people.
Feature, wrongly called, Full Self-Driving, shall be supervised at any time.

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 29 points 6 days ago

If you’re going to say your car has “full self driving”, it should have that, not “full self driving (but needs monitoring.)” or “full self driving (but it disconnects 2 seconds before impact.)”.

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[–] Redex68@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Cuz other self driving cars use LIDAR so it's basically impossible for them to not realise that a bike is there.

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[–] Visstix@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago (15 children)

Why is self-driving even allowed?

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Because muh freedum, EU are a bunch of commies for not allowing this awesome innovation on their roads

(I fucking love living in the EU)

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Robots don't get drunk, or distracted, or text, or speed...

Anecdotally, I think the Waymos are more courteous than human drivers. Though waymo seems to be the best ones out so far, idk about the other services.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Five years ago, you could not have brought this up without Musk simps defending it.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 2 points 1 day ago

On Reddit perhaps

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[–] Substance_P@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)
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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 6 days ago (10 children)

Remember, you have the right to self-defence, against both rogue robots and rogue humans.

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago

Trucks in general have gotten so big they are pedestrian deathtraps

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Every captcha.....can you see the motorcycle? I would be afraid if they wanted all the squares with small babies or maybe just regular folk...can you pick all the hottie's? Which of these are body parts?

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (3 children)

as daily rider, i must add having a tesla behind to the list of road hazards to look out

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[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)

This is another reason I’ll never drive a motorcycle. Fuck that shit.

[–] KayLeadfoot@fedia.io 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's like smoking: if you haven't started, don't XD

[–] mutual_ayed@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 days ago (8 children)

As a fellow meat crayon I agree

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I wonder if a state court judge could mandate its use as unsafe?

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They are illegal in every developed country.

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[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Elon needs to take responsibility for their death.

[–] WanderingThoughts 9 points 6 days ago

That's why Tesla's full self driving is officially still a level 2 cruise control. But of course they promise to jump directly to level 4 soon™.

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