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Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Striking Motorcyclists More Than Any Other Brand: New Analysis (fuelarc.com)
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TL;DR: Self-Driving Teslas Rear-End Motorcyclists, Killing at Least 5

Brevity is the spirit of wit, and I am just not that witty. This is a long article, here is the gist of it:

  • The NHTSA’s self-driving crash data reveals that Tesla’s self-driving technology is, by far, the most dangerous for motorcyclists, with five fatal crashes that we know of.
  • This issue is unique to Tesla. Other self-driving manufacturers have logged zero motorcycle fatalities with the NHTSA in the same time frame.
  • The crashes are overwhelmingly Teslas rear-ending motorcyclists.

Read our full analysis as we go case-by-case and connect the heavily redacted government data to news reports and police documents.

Oh, and read our thoughts about what this means for the robotaxi launch that is slated for Austin in less than 60 days.

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[–] 52 points 2 years ago* (9 children)

This is news? Fortnine talked about it two years ago.
TL;DR Tesla removed LIDAR to save a buck and the cameras see two red dots that the 'puter thinks it's a far away car at night when indeed it's a close motorcycle.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    It's helpful to remember that not everyone has seen the same stories you have. If we want something to change, like regulators not allowing dangerous products, then raising public awareness is important. Expressing surprise that not everyone knows about something can be counterproductive.

    Going beyond that, wouldn't the new information here be the statistics?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    like regulators not allowing dangerous products,

    I include human drivers in the list of dangerous products I don't want allowed. The question is self driving safer overall (despite possible regressions like this). I don't want regulators to pick favorites. I want them to find "the truth"

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Sure, we're in agreement as far as that goes. My point was just the commenter above me was indicating it should be common knowledge that Tesla self driving hits motorcycles more than other self driving cars. And whether their comment was about this or some other subject, I think it's counterproductive to be like "everyone knows that."

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It can't even perceive the depth of the lights?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Why not? It’s got multiple cameras so could judge distances the same way humans do.

    However there have been both hardware and software updates since most of those, so the critical question is how much of a problem is it still? The article had no info or speculation on that

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    The argument is that humans can drive with just 2 eyes, so cameras are enough. I disagree with this position, given that the limitations of a camera-only system. But that's what it is.

    Different sensors excel at different tasks and different conditions, and cameras are not always it.

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