[–] [S] -2 points 22 hours ago (1 child)

I am not a troll, I have put my money where my mouth is and hosted my own forum nightash.net, of which I crossposted the article here.

You’re treating federation like it creates fresh users, but it doesn’t. It lets existing users move between communities; it doesn’t guarantee new people will find or join them. Centralized forums can have user turnover too, through visibility and a larger audience.

And the aquarium analogy cuts both ways: if defederation closes the flow between communities, then the ‘oxygen’ isn’t reaching everyone anyway. Calling it a last resort doesn’t change that users on either side can lose access to each other, or that they can’t take their account with them. That’s still fragmentation, just with a nicer plumbing metaphor

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 22 hours ago (2 children)

    What are you talking about? What ‘better user experience’? If defederation means communities disappear from each other, why not just use regular forums? They’re already fragmented. Either way, you can’t use your account across defederated Lemmy instances, so you end up with the same thing as regular forums, just with extra steps.

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  • [+] [S] -7 points 22 hours ago (8 children)

    Because people expect a seamless experience? I don’t want to browse a fragmented platform either, which is kind of the point: if I have to pick an instance, hunt for communities, and hope they federate with the places I care about, what exactly is Lemmy improving over regular forums?

    If fragmentation is the feature, regular forums already did that without pretending they’re one platform. You see my point?

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  • [+] [S] -13 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

    I have offered counter arguments, insults shouldn't matter. My reply was not a baseless insult, and I actually replied and counter argued. The person I replied to just put a baseless claim and you expect us to just accept it?

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

    That’s unrelated. Correlation doesn’t prove causation. It’s fair to say you haven’t seen a high-quality centralized forum, but that doesn’t mean one can’t exist.

    Either way, I’m pointing to a real issue with Lemmy that you seem to have overlooked: what happens when instances defederate over ideological or other differences?

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    I think federation and decentralization work well for email and text-messaging platforms like XMPP and Matrix because those platforms inherently benefit from being decentralized. They work almost seamlessly with federation.

    Forums, on the other hand, don’t really need a federated system. Just look at Lemmy and how many communities defederate from one another because of ideological disagreements. When there’s that much defederation, the entire concept starts to feel pointless. Suddenly, you can’t use your account across “Lemmy” because several instances have decided they don’t like each other anymore.

    If this much fragmentation is going to happen naturally, how is federation supposed to be the sustainable future of forums?

    I think this is a fair criticism of federated forums. You don’t see this same level of fragmentation with email or text messaging.

    Centralized but well-moderated forums are what really matter. Federation doesn’t protect good or useful speech, quality moderation does. And by its nature, Lemmy lacks that.

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    I don’t know if this is the right community, but I suppose it’s close enough.

    You can’t even make posts like this on Reddit anymore, Reddit has become such a hog on the internet traffic it’s ridiculous. It wouldn’t be a problem if Reddit didn’t take such precious internet space.

    They censor people, regular people who aren’t even doing anything too controversial. Reddit’s automated filters constantly remove people’s posts, only conformist content is allowed there, and so nothing of value remains. Just generic conformist post after another generic conformist post.

    Why is this platform still popular is honestly just beyond me at this point. No really, can someone please, please explain to me why do people keep using this broken website anymore?

     

    I don't know if this is the right community, but I suppose it's close enough.

    You can't even make posts like this on Reddit anymore, Reddit has become such a hog on the internet traffic it's ridiculous. It wouldn't be a problem if Reddit didn't take such precious internet space.

    They censor people, regular people who aren't even doing anything too controversial. Reddit's automated filers constantly remove people's posts, only conformist content is allowed there, and so nothing of value remains. Just generic conformist post after another generic conformist post.

    Why is this platform still popular is honestly just beyond me at this point. No really, can someone please, please explain to me why do people keep using this broken website anymore?

     

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