I think federation and decentralization work well for email and text-messaging platforms like XMPP and Matrix because those platforms inherently benefit from being decentralized. They work almost seamlessly with federation.

Forums, on the other hand, don’t really need a federated system. Just look at Lemmy and how many communities defederate from one another because of ideological disagreements. When there’s that much defederation, the entire concept starts to feel pointless. Suddenly, you can’t use your account across “Lemmy” because several instances have decided they don’t like each other anymore.

If this much fragmentation is going to happen naturally, how is federation supposed to be the sustainable future of forums?

I think this is a fair criticism of federated forums. You don’t see this same level of fragmentation with email or text messaging.

Centralized but well-moderated forums are what really matter. Federation doesn’t protect good or useful speech, quality moderation does. And by its nature, Lemmy lacks that.

EDIT: There may have been a misunderstanding on my part on what defederation exactly means in the context of Lemmy

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[+] [S] -7 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Because people expect a seamless experience? I don’t want to browse a fragmented platform either, which is kind of the point: if I have to pick an instance, hunt for communities, and hope they federate with the places I care about, what exactly is Lemmy improving over regular forums?

If fragmentation is the feature, regular forums already did that without pretending they’re one platform. You see my point?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    People should not expect a seamless experience across totallly different communities of people. Reddit is not a seamless experience. Rules and norms are different across subs.

    The internet works better with fragmentation. It always has. Trying to treat everything as homogenous is stifling.

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  • [–] 1 point 19 hours ago

    And besides, there are instances where they try to federate to as many instances as possible. Sure it takes time to find it but that's why there people out there recommending general instances to people looking to join the threadiverse. I join some of them and use the accounts there so that I can recommend them to people.

    Doesn't matter for this while anyway. OP has been temp banned.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    Buddy...

    Because people expect a seamless experience?

    You want a seamless experience...

    And I already told you what to do for that:

    Go there, none of us care

    If that's what anyone here wanted, they wouldn't be here...

    Why does one place not being how you want it, mean that it should change to be like everywhere else? And especially when you seemingly don't want to go to any of the many options that are already like that?

    Do you legitimately not understand the responses this is getting?

    If you don't like it, go back to reddit. But you're not going to convince anyone on the fediverse that the fediverse should be more like reddit. The few people that would agree with you, have already made these same posts, gotten the same responses, and went back to reddit.

    How are you surprised the people who stay here like it?

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Fair enough if that's what you would like. But for the rest of us, yes we're looking for a seamless anti-echo chamber experience, the mirror opposite of Reddit.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago

    Centralizing platforms aren't necessarily seamless either. Having the same general contents propagating around, but different sites to seeing them, allows for creating the ideal experience to a given user, and each user expecting different things for an ideal experience.

    Like in my case, I'm in Mbin, which would look like the least feature-complete of the fediverse softwares at first glance. But besides actually having what it takes to make a functional forum, it can bring together microblog and thread posts, and the lack of visual noise in the UI while the UI also being overall text-oriented help me focus. Plus it's very responsive to scripts when a feature isn't natively available. And I can connect to other sites thanks to RSS-tracking and protocol-bridging bots.

    And from it, jumping to other forums such Twitter, Retropie and GOG's becomes seamless too.

    For me, that is an example of seamlessness.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    People who join the forum threadiverse and actually stay are likely ok with how federation affects the experience. The ones who don’t like it eventually leave and go back to centralized ones. Pushing to centralize something that has decentralization as its primary purpose is pointless. “The rest of us” isn’t accurate based on the interactions you’re getting in this post. It’s you who is the outlier.

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