▲ 1039 ▼ Cybersecurity bounty hunter says Samsung TVs use AI to record audio and screenshots for ads — 'Finally found a company that truly listens to its customers,' says hacker (www.tomshardware.com) submitted 1 week ago by schizoidman@lemmy.zip to c/technology@lemmy.world 152 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 6 days ago (9 children) Imagine believing that they need "AI" to record us. permalink fedilink source hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 26 points 6 days ago (6 children) These TVs don't incorporate enough power to do any kind of serious LLM. The "AI" they're referring to here is likely an embedded speech-to-text engine. And that probably is pretty necessary for this--it would take too much data to send actual recordings to Samsung, but text transcripts are tiny and easier to search and index. It's easy to forget, but reliable speech-to-text has been around less than 20 years, and the tiny ones that can run on embedded chips are even newer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] iocase@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 days ago* (4 children) Stm32 has made micro controllers with neural processors for years now and you don't need LLMs to do a lot of useful stuff for a spyware company. A small model can run even in really constrained hardware if you train it specifically for it. Afaik the STM32 ones are for machine vision processing on limited hardware where power is a concern. I'm sure you can do a lot more with a TV with constant power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago (3 children) That's exactly the distinction I was making. The person I was replying to said "Imagine believing that they need “AI” to record us." I was clarifying that this isn't the AI we hear so much about that requires huge datacenters; it's the kind of simple, embedded, "edge" AI that you can do with whatever microcontroller you have lying around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] iocase@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Yeah I know I was agreeing with you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ah, sorry. Sometimes I can't tell because of the threading here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] iocase@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago* Its ok, text is also really ambiguous so I don't blame you permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* If you choose to hack your own TV, you can just stream this mp3 to servers: First send this: Then stream this: On repeat permalink fedilink source parent [–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 days ago They're using a classifier to capture metadata (like “does a dog live there?” or “does a baby live there”) by categorizing sounds. That's all technically legal, that's why they do it that way. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kuhli@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago To record us? Nah, to make it more useful than just metadata analysis, yeah, I could buy that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 26 points 6 days ago (6 children) These TVs don't incorporate enough power to do any kind of serious LLM. The "AI" they're referring to here is likely an embedded speech-to-text engine. And that probably is pretty necessary for this--it would take too much data to send actual recordings to Samsung, but text transcripts are tiny and easier to search and index. It's easy to forget, but reliable speech-to-text has been around less than 20 years, and the tiny ones that can run on embedded chips are even newer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] iocase@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 days ago* (4 children) Stm32 has made micro controllers with neural processors for years now and you don't need LLMs to do a lot of useful stuff for a spyware company. A small model can run even in really constrained hardware if you train it specifically for it. Afaik the STM32 ones are for machine vision processing on limited hardware where power is a concern. I'm sure you can do a lot more with a TV with constant power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago (3 children) That's exactly the distinction I was making. The person I was replying to said "Imagine believing that they need “AI” to record us." I was clarifying that this isn't the AI we hear so much about that requires huge datacenters; it's the kind of simple, embedded, "edge" AI that you can do with whatever microcontroller you have lying around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] iocase@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Yeah I know I was agreeing with you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ah, sorry. Sometimes I can't tell because of the threading here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] iocase@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago* Its ok, text is also really ambiguous so I don't blame you permalink fedilink source parent [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* If you choose to hack your own TV, you can just stream this mp3 to servers: First send this: Then stream this: On repeat permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iocase@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 days ago* (4 children) Stm32 has made micro controllers with neural processors for years now and you don't need LLMs to do a lot of useful stuff for a spyware company. A small model can run even in really constrained hardware if you train it specifically for it. Afaik the STM32 ones are for machine vision processing on limited hardware where power is a concern. I'm sure you can do a lot more with a TV with constant power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago (3 children) That's exactly the distinction I was making. The person I was replying to said "Imagine believing that they need “AI” to record us." I was clarifying that this isn't the AI we hear so much about that requires huge datacenters; it's the kind of simple, embedded, "edge" AI that you can do with whatever microcontroller you have lying around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] iocase@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Yeah I know I was agreeing with you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ah, sorry. Sometimes I can't tell because of the threading here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] iocase@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago* Its ok, text is also really ambiguous so I don't blame you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago (3 children) That's exactly the distinction I was making. The person I was replying to said "Imagine believing that they need “AI” to record us." I was clarifying that this isn't the AI we hear so much about that requires huge datacenters; it's the kind of simple, embedded, "edge" AI that you can do with whatever microcontroller you have lying around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] iocase@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Yeah I know I was agreeing with you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ah, sorry. Sometimes I can't tell because of the threading here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] iocase@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago* Its ok, text is also really ambiguous so I don't blame you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iocase@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Yeah I know I was agreeing with you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ah, sorry. Sometimes I can't tell because of the threading here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] iocase@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago* Its ok, text is also really ambiguous so I don't blame you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ah, sorry. Sometimes I can't tell because of the threading here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] iocase@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago* Its ok, text is also really ambiguous so I don't blame you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iocase@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago* Its ok, text is also really ambiguous so I don't blame you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* If you choose to hack your own TV, you can just stream this mp3 to servers: First send this: Then stream this: On repeat permalink fedilink source parent
[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 days ago They're using a classifier to capture metadata (like “does a dog live there?” or “does a baby live there”) by categorizing sounds. That's all technically legal, that's why they do it that way. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kuhli@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago To record us? Nah, to make it more useful than just metadata analysis, yeah, I could buy that permalink fedilink source parent