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Threatening her life is very different than criticizing her ideals and unacceptable no matter how annoying you believe she is. Also, her credentials are growing by the day despite your personal opinions.
No one should ever do anything to help anyone unless they PASS A BILL (even writing a bill is not good enough)based on the help they give.
You could check the Wikipedia entry for her, there's a few accomplishments in there. in any case, I'd say attempting to bring food to starving people under death threats and attempts for doing so makes any of her attempts at doing something, whether the goal is accomplished, far better than whatever you've got going on.
I appreciate the help, but this person’s intent was never to actually learn about her.
I don’t know for sure what the point was. Just more pessimist hand waiving I guess. Maybe underachievement guilt, maybe jealousy, maybe just plain old fashioned misogyny.
Hyperbole was enough for this transaction.
Edit: I also wanted to add that I did not insult my friend above. We just don’t agree. I thought some fun over exaggeration would point out the unproductive nature of that line of thinking.
I'm just poking the bear, they're clearly either a Russian/neocon bot, or just an idiot. But I'm seeing if they'll actually say something besides "asking questions". I'm curious how far the goal posts are going to be moved without any actual acknowledgement since apparently 30 honors and awards, 17 speeches to governments, 7 publications, and more that I'm not really willing to trudge through to specifically call out, don't count as accomplishments in their mind.
Ok, how about we turn this around since you have very high standards for what you consider an accomplishment. What have you succeeded at?
Alright, olive branch. I understand that it’s never good to put people on a pedestal, but this is a weird thing to pull from current events. What we have is a person, regardless of “credentials” joining a flotilla with the goal of bringing food through a blockade.
Fame or motive aside, it’s a good thing to want to help people, full stop. We shouldn’t crab brain things like this and pull people back into the bucket.
We also shouldn’t idolized them, understood.
BUT
You also shouldn’t be so fixated on whether people celebrate this person. Let’s just be happy that there are some folks on the front lines fighting injustice, and mad at people that want to stomp that out. It’s really easy.
Those that can help should help, and those that can’t, or won’t, should just move out of the way. Doesn’t have to be more complicated than that.
The point of activism is to get more people to talk about issues and to bring about change. There's billions of us. A single person will never be credited with changing the public opinion on anything, that's not how things work. It's unfair to ask what she has accomplished because she's not in a line of work where results are immediate and obvious. And she's only 22. Millions of people are talking about climate change and other issues thanks to her. Can you name a more (positive)influential person?
Yes, she's successful. How many activists can you name over the top of your head? I'm sure the list is short. And most of them don't get as many headlines written nor do they gather the same amount of people.
Do you want someone to go around the world and ask each person who inspired them to be better humans? Do you want to ask politicians why they pass each bill and which protest forced them to finally take action? Or how do you propose we quantify her success if not by number of followers and articles written?
Ever heard of strength in numbers? You can't organize shit without people. And these "celebrities" bring people. But sure, you go ahead and organize your friends and she'll do what she thinks is best too. As long as Gaza gets help, doesn't really matter who did the most.
There isn't one? Are you joking? What is This then? 1.2 million donated by the foundation as of 2022. Money from awards, prizes and donations. That's nothing, right?
What about This one? Which claims "started in 2018, when 15-year old Greta Thunberg began a school strike for climate." They gathered millions of people for strikes and they name her as inspiration. But that's nothing as well, right?
Man, if only everyone in the world was as useless as Greta...
I'm aware that different states have different laws but in no state does possession of a weapon magically obviate all claims of self defense against an unarmed person.because possession of a weapon in no way obviates the risk to you that you are attempting to ameliorate by killing the fucker.
EG if someone broke into your home to rape and murder you you aren't going to jail for stabbing them with a kitchen knife. If you disagree pick a specific state where you think the law works like that and I'll be happy to look at the relevant info.
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize only activism in person works. My bad. Oh, wait.. she does that too.. anyway, I'm done with you, I suggest your seek help, it can't possibly be healthy to need to put others down to feel better about yourself. And you think I'm the angry one, hahaha, funny.
She makes chuds like you cry.
That's something.
She also lost like 90% of public and media attention over speaking out against Israel. And she is putting her own life at great risk at this very moment.
She sparked Fridays For Future, the last German government got elected largely in the wake of their protests (among others) and achieved huge steps forward in transitioning our energy supply to renewables.
We are sadly now back to conservatives, but they won't be able to reverse all that was achieved.
Even without tangible achievements, boosting the climate movement on a global level like she did is not nothing.
I don't know what to tell you man. The presence of the issue and the protests about it were far larger after her initial school strikes than before. Globally. And if you think that's nothing, pray tell me what you have done that has had any global impact whatsoever.
And yes, I would praise a player that enabled their team (through motivation or else) to score 5 additional goals in a losing game, even if it meant they only lost 10:5 instead of 10:0.
The answer is, she's a serial protester and very successful at getting arrested.
There are innumerable people who are actually achieving things but no one cares.
For example, medicines sans frontiers has medical professionals in Gaza. I haven't seen any posts about them on lemmy. Those people have been being heroes every day for many months.
I don wonder what her actual role is on the boat. I suspect she's head person in charge of raising awareness.
In some ways I think the "attention" is counter productive.
Everyone is aware of the debate around climate change or gaza. Getting views from lemmy users on YouTube videos doesn't help anything.
Greta is incapable of reaching the people who need to be reached. A fresh faced gen z can't guilt boomers into changing their behaviour.
I don't dislike Greta specifically, but the obsession with her every utterance is ridiculous.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greta_Thunberg
Sweden signed the agreement and is on track with the Paris climate agreement from what I can tell.
I'm not even halfway through the wikipedia article.
Before you jump in and say "well, she hasn't actually done anything" let me ask you; What did Martin Luther King Jr. actually do?
Greta is organizing more people than MLK did. The lack of results is not her fault, but the fault of the people whom we have elected to implement policy for us (for the most part).
What was the name of MLK's organization?
She has organized millions.
You missed this part
MLK didn't write laws, he didn't sign bills, he didn't judge the constitutionally of existing legislation, he mobilized people.
Go look at headlines and editorials from the civil rights era, because you are punching down on Greta trying to stand up for us the same way they punched down on MLK.