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[–] 1 point 1 year ago (15 children)

Ground floor is the community grocery, and the next 3-5 floors are a hydroponics farm. It's really not that ridiculous.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You could have 5 floors, and it still wouldn't be enough. You could have 30 floors and it wouldn't be enough.

    I don't think you understand the scale of farming to human. Even if you're entirely vegetarian it's on the order of 0.5-1 acre per person to grow the required food. That's 20,000-40,000 square feet. Even if hydroponics were involved and cut that by a factor of 10, you'd still be at 2000 square feet per person. A typical grocery store is 25-50,000 square feet, so let's go with the most generous and say 5 floors of 50,000 square feet you could produce enough food for.... 125 people.

    The math doesn't math. No reasonable amount of food growth is ever going to be possible inside a city.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    What you said:

    typical grocery store

    What I said:

    IMO every city should have public cafeterias

    We're not talking about the same thing. You're arguing with yourself.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Replace grocery store with cafeteria, do you have an actual argument or are you just nitpicking?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    No I have an idea to fix food bank shortages, while creating jobs and teaching practical skills. The shortage that occurred collectively in your brains I have nothing for.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Look, I'm all for making the world a better place. So here's my 2c, from somebody who's tried and done it in a small manner. You'll need allies, partners. You'll face a lot of doubt and questions. If you meet it all with outright hostility, you're never going to get very far. Sure, we're all online randos, but if you can't muster a decent argument with all the time in the world, you're going to have a hard time persuading anybody in the real world.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    do you have an actual argument or are you just nitpicking?

    And what part of that comment was indented to make me an ally or not perceive you as outrightly hostile?

    Cute adhominim at the end there. Couldn't resist could you? Ya hypocrite.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (8 children)

    My vision is

    Ground floor: Cafeteria / service kitchen

    2nd Floor: Production Kitchen / food packaging

    3rd Floor : Aquaponics & fertigation

    4+ : greenhouse.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    It's a nice utopian idea, but it just doesn't do anything. The aquaponics and greenhouse are just a bad utilization of such prime real estate space, the amount of food produced would be so low as to be a rounding error for the food they would still need to import and you could use that same floor space to house hundreds of more people.

    Go look at my comment from a few minutes ago showing the production math for 5 stories of hydroponics.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    https://www.edengreen.com/blog-collection/vertical-farming-crop-yield-per-acre

    We're talking about 2 different things. I have zero interest in debunking all your strawmans and assumptions about a completely different concept.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Your article says it's 40:1 instead of the 10:1 I assumed, but that's still far too little to matter.

    Your two floors of farming would still feed less than a hundred people full time, even if they hit those lofty idea targets.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    You're the one inserting the assumption that this has to become the only source of food for people.

    I said:

    or source through a local network.

    If you can't read those words and comprehend them than why would I consider anything you have to say?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What the fuck does local mean? I just showed you the math that even Los Angeles alone consumes more food than you can possibly grow in California.

    You're the one fucking around with "I want a greenhouse above my grocery store" with no real proof that it would matter or be a good use of space.

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