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Another L for bigotry (europe.pub)
submitted 1 year ago by to c/whitepeopletwitter@sh.itjust.works
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[–] 38 points 1 year ago (9 children)

In my country (eu) it's illegal to burn the national flag. It's also illegal to burn a picture of the king (offence to the crown), and making a post like this but with a bible would be considered 'offence to the religious sentiments' (this is only for catholics, the feelings of other believers be damned).

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yeah, there are a lot of reasons that I oppose laws against burning or defacing things as part of a protest by default and those are some examples of why.

    If done as part of an implicit threat, like buring with chants about committing violence it should count as part of the threating message, but not by itself as a symbol of defiance or to just cause offense.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    SCOTUS has previously ruled that burning the American flag is protected speech, but I believe they have upheld (or just not heard cases against) state laws that burning crosses is hate speech or threatening speech (which are not protected.)

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Yes, SCOTUS has consistently ruled that threats of violence are different than protesting.

    Burning a cross on someone's lawn is an implicit threat of future violence because that is the only historical use of burning crosses on someone's lawn. Burning a flag in a public space is saying you disagree with the government, which is a protest.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Burning a cross in America is not a message that you hate Christians. It's deeply associated with the racist organization the ku klux klan and their extrajudicial murders of black people.

    So yeah you can do the thing associated with being mad at a country but not the thing associated with "get your melinated skin in line as per our beliefs or we kill your entire family"

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    There was an extremely funny incident in the UK in the run up to the Brexit referendum in which a seething pro-Brexiter tried to burn an EU flag only to be thwarted by the fact that EU regulations made sure the flag was fireproof

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