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[–] 57 points 1 year ago (24 children)

Its always jarring to see bigots disgrace just the Quran and Islam.

I'd argue fundamentalist Christians and Christian Zionists follow a nearly identical ideology and commit nearly identical atrocities as any radical Islamic Jihadist.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (13 children)

    I've always said both Christianity and Islam are my enemy. Both science denying, sexist, power hungry institutions with a penchant for fucking kids. The only difference, in the West, is that Christianity was made to bend the knee a long time ago. I think Islam still needs that lesson.

    Regardless, fuck them both. Sky daddy worshipping death cults.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    The only difference, in the West, is that Christianity was made to bend the knee a long time ago

    My dude, are you seeing what's happening in the US? What types of people are most passionately supporting Israel?

    Shit, are you seeing the rampant rise of the far right accross Europe and Australia and some of their biggest backers?

    That shit ain't happening because of Muslims. The Christian Jihadists are back and are making serious gains.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Tehran in the 1970s would have been a beautiful way to show how modern lifestyles and islamic culture could co-exist, much in the same way that Christianity was treated in the West all the way up to 2015.

    Ah well, I guess there's still Istanbul, and I guess the West can still potentially pull themselves away from the right-wing christian fundamentalism they're currently embracing

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Yeah this worries me a lot at the minute. There's a concerted effort to push christianity back in front of the levers of power and it disgusts me. I mean, have you ever tried to read the bible? It's complete nonsense (nonce-sense?).

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Tehran in the 1970s would have been a beautiful way to show how modern lifestyles and islamic culture could co-exist

    Celebrating the Shah's Iran for it's secularism is a bit like celebrating Guantanamo Bay, Cuba for it's capitalism.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I thought that happened in '79

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    The Shah of Iran couped the democratic government in 1953 and enacted a brutal military dictatorship that was not overthrown until '79.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    oh, sorry. I just saw some hippie photos from the 70s and assumed it was a liberal/secular place around then until 79

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    It's a big country. There's corners that are still liberal/secular today and there's corners that have never been.

    But there's a hagiography around the dictatorship that suggests a few women in bikinis on the beach represented the entire social state of the Shah's reign. You don't see pictures of the torture dungeons or the armed insurgents or the clashes between police and civilians published regularly in Western media.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Both science denying, sexist, power hungry institutions with a penchant for fucking kids.

    Religious institutions have been at the foundation of modern scientific scholarship for centuries. Meanwhile, merely avoiding a formal religious indoctrination does nothing to improve your education or steer you clear of superstition.

    And there's no shortage of apostate child fuckers. Epstein's island had academics and influencers of every stripe.

    Christianity was made to bend the knee a long time ago

    To the secular financial system, where all the child fucking happens.

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  • [+] -19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You'll grow up from that phase.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not sure, I'm nearly 40. Felt this way since I was old enough to have an opinion. But I hear that sentiment a lot, as religious people think being a cultist is a default position... its not. Kids are just indoctrinated.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm an atheist but I realized like 5 years ago that sweeping generalisations are problematic and often the result of being indoctrinated, religiously or through social media.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    A lot of them would have you imprisoned if they had your way. It's become painfully obvious to me, especially with everything happening with the yank christofascists, that there are a lot of religious wackos out there kept in check by secularism. They'd had you under the boot heel in a second if they could.

    I never understood the base level of acceptance theism has when they keep doing evil things, every time they get power. Religion isn't your friend.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I’d argue fundamentalist Christians and Christian Zionists follow a nearly identical ideology

    Literally identical bibliography up to a point. The Bible is a sacred text within Islam as well (although not in any condition an American evangelical could stomach reading, on account of it not being in English).

    It's the interpretation that drives a wedge between them. Muslims recognize Jesus as a prophet, but reject the Nicean Creed (just like Jews).

    commit nearly identical atrocities

    The idea that religion causes atrocities requires a particular blindness to cataclysmic violence during secular eras. It's not religion that's getting Dems and Repubs alike to sponsor the Israeli genocide of Palestine, for instance. This is entirely rooted in the geopolitics of the oil trade through the Suez Canal.

    Fear, bigotry, misinformation, and the mass hysteria of modern warfare are fully decoupled from secular traditions. Atheists like Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens have been as zealous in their advocacy of this barbarism as dogmatic Catholics and Muslims, like Pope Francis and Salman al-Dayah have been advocates for peace.

    The idea that you can eliminate war through apostasy went out the window 60 years ago, during the height of the Soviet Era. War has an entirely materialist causation.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You can at least draw a picture of Jesus without being murdered.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    1. You can draw a picture of Mohammed without being murdered. Do it now. I promise you you'll be fine.

    2. There never has existed any rules in Christianity about drawing Jesus in any way being a no no. Shitty comparison.

    3. The fundamentalist Christians of the USA disappeared someone because they had a meme of fat JD Vance. The same people who turn around and tell the country God is king and Christians are facing genocide from a nonexistent communist deep state. Same ones who fully support Israel's genocide in Palestine and emperial war to make Greater Israel so the Christian version of the apocalypse can begin.

    So no, the world isn't safe from radical Christians. We're actually more in danger now than we have been in quite some time.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Didn't say it was. But I can think of a few dead cartoonist that might have a different view.

    Both relgion need to go. But seeing people Islam because they hate christans more pisses me off.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm not defending Islam.

    I'm saying we're fooling ourselves if we're suggesting that radical Christians aren't a colossal threat just as radical Muslims are.

    In many ways, they're actually a greater threat to the West because they hold power here. Muslims generally don't, in comparison.

    And again, I invite you to see the source of so many of Israel's weapons they use to commit genocide and illegally attack their neighbors.

    Its widely Christian Zionists in America.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    There is no need to compare bigoted religions. However, if you want to do so Islam comes out as the more bigot and violent hands down. Look at the punishment for apostasy or homosexuality as an example.

    Sure, it is a minority religion in the west, thankfully, so it is less of a problem compared to Christianity from a selfish, west centric view. However from a general perspective of how religion is used to oppress and control other people Islam is pretty much where Christianity was 3 centuries ago.

    Yes, many people hate Islam because they want their bigoted religion not to be threatened, or because Islam is practiced by people too brown for their racism, but this doesn't mean that every time someone criticizes Islam for the many, many reasons that it deserves to be criticized, people need to jump to defend it.

    What is even more shocking is that this regularly happens in communities where using the wrong pronoun is considered a capital sin, but somehow defending a bigoted religion that in some cases leads to the hanging of homosexuals is fine, as long as it's a reflex to other bigotry (real or perceived).

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