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Liberal apathy is how you get to Hitler.
Apparently they do not understand the Paradox of Tolerance, or they're motivated to ignore it.
At an executive level, sure.
But the dogged insistence that fascism just happens and nobody does anything about it ignores the armies of protestors, the various pushback at state and local levels, the independent media rallying opposition, and the multiple assassination attempts on fascist figures.
This is in stark contrast to Dem political leadership, who seem to think Donnie is just another guy you make deals with.
For the DC elites, they do. They just can't decide whether Trump is really a problem or merely a fundraising vehicle.
For the propes, urgency exists, but not the power to do anything about it
Nice sentiment, not based in reality though.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lsereviewofbooks/2017/01/30/book-review-democracy-for-realists-why-elections-do-not-produce-responsive-government-by-christopher-h-achen-and-larry-m-bartels/
In other words, voters are morons.
Remember, half of American voters can't read better than a middle school student
It's more than half actually
Voters are just people. People are largely morons, so yes.
When education is purposefully defunded and left to rot for decades now, is it really that surprising things are the way they are? When voters are more educated, they tend to vote Democrat.
If a country wants to prevent this, then it needs protections that can’t go away for education. Furthermore, media companies need to be held to higher standards of reporting, and at this point I feel that influencers should fall under that bucket as well.
Personally, I don’t hate the idea of tying the ability to vote behind getting any Associates Degree. With the caveat that the college would need to be free and accessible to anyone that wishes to go, with a room and food expenses covered to accommodate people. I feel this is a fairer way to get Aristotle’s idea of restricting voting to the educated.
That's correct yes
"Realpolitik"
This only happens in the us btw.
Based
Nah, this road was inevitable for the US - liberal apathy is a nonsense; it suggests US voters had a choice or a say - they don't and never have. The two parties overlap in their beliefs - there has never been true choice. There was the veneer of democracy, but the system has been rigged for decades if not a century or more. There are 2 parties who have dominated in every state and at every level, and play voters off against each other. Anyone interested in politics has no choice but to join the red team or the blue team - if they don't they'll never achieve anything. The 2 parties have pushed beyond first-past-the-post to extremes with gerrymandering to ensure no 3rd party will ever get a look in. The Democrats and Republicans have written all the rules to suite themselves, and it's ended up that the extreme end of one party can dominate the lot and do what it wants.
1/3 of voters vote Democrat, 1/3 Republican and 1/3 don't vote because why bother. The US President has immense power, and their primary checks and balances are entirely partisan and always have been. The Supreme Court has always been partisan with Democrat and Republican political appointees, and Congress is by it's nature partisan and divided in 2 between the 2 parties due to the entire system. The players of the game have set all the rules.
If you want to see what comes next, look at Russia. It never had a strong system post communism, and Yeltsin was drunk and out of touch with reality towards the end of his tenure. Putin was his advisor and managed to manipulate Yeltsin and make himself his heir apparent. Putin has then gone on to dismantle even the semblance of democracy they had, becoming a dictator and now an aggressor invading country after country. And unlike Hitler, his opponents in the west are divided.
Trump is a disaster, but what we should all be really worried about is what comes next. Trump is the USA's Yeltsin; it's the US Putin who comes next we should all be terrified of.
I honestly don't see any way back from the abyss in the USA. Anyone who wants to stop Trump of course has to vote Democrat because that's the system. But whose to say the US Putin won't be a Democrat? Red team or Blue team - it doesn't matter; neither believe in democracy they just believe in the game.
US Voters had a choice and a say and a plurality voted for literal Hitler while almost 9 Million people who voted hitler out in 2020 didn't show up at all for 2024.
Too bad we didn't have people like you to fix it for us. Tell us, how did you fight the Nazis this week?
I personally punched one of them during a protest. How have you helped? If everyone on lemmy punched just one nazi we'd by out of this by dinner time. But lots of you guys dont want to.
Sounds real
Yes, during the second most widespread protests in us history, with the second most counter protestors, it seems so incredibly unlikely a few fights happened. But somehow they did.
By Liberals, I assume the people who were saying that Gaza didn't matter if Trump got elected again?
I'd mean all the people dumb enough to get Trump elected by thinking you could beat him by espousing almost exactly his policies. Who wants Trump-lite when you could have the real thing?
Nice way to let off all the people who didn't vote against Trump.
"We thought Harris would be exactly the same!!"
Could you conceive of a world where they voted against Trump but also against genocide?
It's been almost a year can you really not just accept that you were wrong and that sacking up and voting for Kamala would have been the correct move?
Sorry, it's kind of a "human" thing to not vote for genocide.
Well congrats on your pyrrhic victory of not voting.
Cry because I didn't vote for genocide
I can conceive of anything.
But what I conceive wouldn't be the reality of the last election.
Here are two examples of people doing politics. Take notes.
Frederick Douglas was an escaped slave. In 1860 he had a choice; speak out for the strongly pro-abolition candidate, or back Lincoln, who was not going to call for immediate abolition. Douglas figured that it was better to back Lincoln and have the President's ear, than to back a candidate who had no chance of winning.
Martin Luther King's top assistant was a gay Black man named Bayard Ruskin. Ruskin never put himself forward, even though he was a vital part of the Movement. He knew that America wasn't ready to accept LGBTQ issues at that time, so he stayed silent.
So, can you conceive of looking at things dispassionately and playing the long game?
Playing "the long game" on genocide is effectively actively murdering people, especially when previous administrations have actually employed the "yank the chain" policy on israel. There is no long game here, there's genocide or no genocide.
As we speak, the genocide is ongoing. So nothing you advocate actually helped.
You can stamp your feet and scream all you want, but ignoring the facts does nothing.
But I won't support a genocide either, rhetorically or with a vote as you have. It's called having principles. Try it.
So we both agree that your high principles did nothing to actually stop the genocide.
And your lack thereof did?
I am fine with having the same level of principles as Frederick Douglas, Bayard Ruskin, and the WW2 partisans who took aid from colonial England and racist America.
Don't forget being way into genocide
If I enjoyed genocide I'd be like you. Sit on the sidelines and do nothing at all, then proclaim how morally superior I was.
No u
Sadly, that's the most intelligent thing you've added to the conversation.
Yes, but not voting lead to the beginning of a hispanic genocide in the states, so im not really sure they cared all that much when they just made genocide bigger and more expansive
Reprehensible as it is, we've seen no evidence of a Hispanic genocide (yet). The scale isn't there, and there's active internal pushback. It doesn't benefit the corporate class so it likely has a shelf-life. Whether the pushback comes to anything or halts creeping fascism remains to be seen, but such a concept is currently completely hypothetical.
The Gaza genocide however, is real, and may still be happening. Also, big difference between "not voting" and "not voting for your corporate party prescribed candidates".