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[–] 111 points 9 months ago (35 children)

Which is why a 13 month calendar all having 28 days would have made more sense

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  • [–] 40 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    It makes 12 months because the lap the Earth makes is deducted from the 13 the moon makes, so effectively it makes 12 cycles around the Earth.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

    You don't know what you're talking about

    13x28=364. The moon makes 14 sidereal orbits, not 13. The reason the year is split into 12 months is a combination of Roman dipshittery and the fact that 12 is divisible by 2, 3, 4, and 6. The number of factors of 12 made 12 and 60 way easier to work with for societies that hadn't invented the decimal point yet.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Then please explain how the Hebrew calendar, and all other lunisolar calendars (calendars which follow both the solar year and the lunar cycle) have 12 months most years? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunisolar_calendar

    "The majority of years have twelve months but every second or third year is an embolismic year, which adds a thirteenth intercalary, embolismic, or leap month."

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Not who you asked, but after looking into it it's because the moon takes about 29.5 days to complete a full cycle of phases (one synodic month), giving it time to do so roughly 12 times per year.

    I can't quite wrap my head around it, but I think the explanation for why sidereal and synodic months differ lines up with your initial explanation. Because we're also moving, the moon has to move further to achieve the visual change of moon phases.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Can you provide a source for 14 orbits? Everything in my search results says 13 and some change.

    Wikipedia says one sidereal month is 27.321661 days and a sidereal year is 365.256 days.

    365.256/27.321661 ≈ 13.37

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    a sidereal year is 365.256 days.

    No. A sidereal year is 366.24 days.

    And 11 days isn't "and some change"

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    The figures in my post are ephemeris days since that's the way Wikipedia lists them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_year

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_month#Sidereal_month

    "And some change" is a phrase to refer to a number following a decimal point, meaning the sources I find claim there are thirteen point something sidereal months per year, at a figure too low to round to 14. Here are some example sources:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon#Lunar_periods

    http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=1126

    I still can't find a source which says the moon makes 14 sidereal orbits per year, using any definition of year.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    12 is an easier number to work with because of how many factors it has

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  • [–] 40 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    hmm, how about 12 months each with 30 days, plus 5 days every year that's not part of any month?

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  • [–] 39 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    5 days every year that’s not part of any month

    Those are called intercalary months. They had them in the ancient egyptian calendar (5 every year, 6 in leap years) and were usually used for rest and religious ceremonies.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercalary_month_(Egypt)

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    plus 5 days every year that's not part of any month?

    Just add a leap month every six years

    You'd have 12 30-day months most years, and an extra in the sixth! While we're at it, we can redefine a week to be six days, so there's a perfectly rounded number of weeks per month/year! Days, hours, minutes and seconds are already fine, but maybe we should also replace units shorter than a second with something more dozenal/hexal(?), too…

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    While a novel idea, a leap month would throw the concept seasons and therefore agriculture off significantly. Relatively predictable seasons and being able to track our place in it with calendars was a great help to agrarian communities, helping them know when to plant and harvest most effectively.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago*

    Every 7 or 6 years for a leap week 12 month calendar, it would be four times longer for a leap month, and the formula is a bit too complex for people to do in their heads, but we all refer to computer calendars anyway

    A 364 day calendar with 13 even months, or 12 months alternating between 35 and 28 days or whatever would also let you use the same calendar every year (as opposed to my tea towel that has a calendar that is only useful in leap years that start on a Tuesday — the last was 2008 when it was bought, next is 2036)

    Though it would be too expensive to change the calendar, and a 364 + leap weeks calendar doesn't track the seasons as well as 365 + leap day calendar, I really like the symmetry 454 calendar

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    13*28=364 so even 13 months and 28 days doesn't work.

    If we had 28 days in a month then the week needs to be something other than 7 days. Three out of four times February / March fucks me over by having the same weekday/ day of the month.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Landlords would love it, at least. I personally would hate it, being a renter.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Your rent right now can be thought of as a large payment split into 12 equal pieces (even though months aren’t actually equal) and your rent payment is just 1/12 of that. If there were 13 months it would just be split into 1/13 so each months payments would be slightly smaller to be the same total

    If we transitioned it would take years and for at least some amount of time of overlap they would show both prices so it would be much harder for them to just jack up the price like they would prefer to do

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    13 is a unlucky superstition number.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Only in Western cultures. In East Asia, it’s 4.

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