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[–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (13 children)

Nuance is important. Learn to look past the name.

Says the one who was unable to get a joke comment in which I'm calling them "national socialist" and not just socialists to call them nazis (since the nazis called themselves national socialists and not simply socialists).

You talk about nuance and can't see that I'm specifically calling them national socialists and not just socialsts.

Ffs, have you escaped from .ml? You look ridiculous in your defense of socialism when all I did was a joke about nazism.

Edit: You shouldn't talk about nuance when you didn't get the "nuance" on the first place. Notice the capitalized letters in the first comment and not just the name. Nuance is important, so by calling it National Socialism (mind the caps) and not national socialism (mind the caps again) I'm using not the general definition of the socialism but the name nazis gave to their movement (which was, as every name, capitalized). You didn't get the joke. And that's fine. But it's not on me.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (12 children)

    You sounded like a rightwinger who unironically confuses nazis with actual socialists, and it didn't help that you started off defending what you said for two more comments rather than admitting you were joking and accepting that of course they're different.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (11 children)

    You sounded like a rightwinger who unironically confuses nazis with actual socialists,

    My original comment:

    Congrats, Amerikkka! You finally managed to achieve socialism! The National kind of Socialism!

    Notice the three K in america referencing the KKK? And how I specifically capitalized National and Socialism so it's not just "socialism" but the name the nazis decided to give to their movement by capitalizing both words?

    Really? A right winger when I'm both calling Amerikkka nazis and reminding them of the KKK? Mate, you didn't get the joke and are blaming me for it.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (10 children)

    I don't think you read what Poe's law says.

    You sounded like a right winger in the sense that you said the same things right wingers said, not in the sense that I believe you are one.

    And you talk to me about nuance?

    No, I don't believe I did.

    you didn’t get the joke and are blaming me for it.

    I think that in these terrible times, if your edgy humour that uses the same logic as right wing talking points from 2024 doesn't land, ranting at people for two comments that they don't understand that nazi means socialist without making it clear that you know that that was intentionally misleading, instead of making it clearer that it was a joke doesn't make you come across as a fun person, and is why people started explaining the difference to you.

    For at least five hours after your first post (which I see you have now edited), you just disagreed angrily with people pointing out that nazis and socialists are different. Why would anyone believe this was an attempt at humour?

    If you actually want to make people laugh, you need to lighten up a bit and be less defensive if it doesn't land. It's not my fault that your humour wasn't funny enough for people to get it, so maybe blame the audience less and make it clearer that you're attempting to satirise stupid magas rather than being one.

    There is no "of course that's wrong and stupid, no one in their right mind would believe such a thing, so it's obviously a joke" with maga folk. Hence Poe's law.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    I don't think you read what Poe's law says.

    You sounded like a right winger in the sense that you said the same things right wingers said, not in the sense that I believe you are one.

    I know what Poe's law is. I never heard a right-winger call themselves National Socialists. And if you've read any of my previous comments anywhere on lemmy, you'd see I'm far from a right winger.

    No, I don't believe I did.

    You are right, i confused you with the previous poster, I edited that part removing it.

    I think that in these terrible times, if your edgy humour that uses the same logic as right wing talking points from 2024 doesn't land, ranting at people for two comments that they don't understand that nazi means socialist without making it clear that you know that that was intentionally misleading, instead of making it clearer that it was a joke doesn't make you come across as a fun person, and is why people started explaining the difference to you.

    Ranting at people who don't know history and how the nazis called themselves National Socialists (I specificall, used those words and not just socialists)? Dude, if people are dumb is not my fault. Telling me to read a fucking dictionary when they haven't opened a history book? Really?

    I'm sorry if you never opened a history book? Is that what I should say?

    For at least five hours after your first post (which I see you have now edited), you just disagreed angrily with people pointing out that nazis and socialists are different. Why would anyone believe this was an attempt at humour?

    I'm really flabbergastered that you are blaming me for people not having opened a history book (else they would know about National Socialism and not just socialism) in their lives. But I guess that's what I get for assuming people have read. I'm not gonna apologize for defending what was a nuanced joke that ignorants didn't get. That's not my fault.

    If you actually want to make people laugh, you need to lighten up a bit and be less defensive if it doesn't land. It's not my fault that your humour wasn't funny enough for people to get it, so maybe blame the audience less and make it clearer that you're attempting to satirise stupid magas rather than being one.

    My first reply is "look for national socialism". Not for socialism, but national socialism. First result on search engines for "national socialism" is fucking nazism. If someone is still thinking I'm attacking socialism, they are... dense. To say the least. And it's not on me.

    That, or they are trying to not look dumb but putting it on me, which I don't accept either.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    That was a good joke. Even without the KKK that joke should have been recognizable.

    How can the desperation be resolved so that people on Lemmy don't assume the worst and comments can stay on topic?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think it's desperation but closeted tankies. They heard the word socialism and their tankie-sense triggers. If there's something I despise as much as a MAGA, that's a tankie. Same shit, different color.

    They're simply learning that they must post from outside .ml if they want to be seen.

    I mean, look at them. They are attacking me for "offending" socialism when I never said the word without "National" before it. They just saw socialism and, as good tankies, they went berserker.

    The other option might be even worse: they are dumb as a rock and never read a history book. Not unlikely either.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    .ml pride themselves in reading theory. It's easy to disagree with them on a topic but they wouldn't make such a mistake.

    I think it's the stress of the US environment. The government is blurring the lines of what is unthinkable. This 'all of yours' podium is real and people are rightfully in panic mode. Question is, how to snap out of it to have useful discussions?

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I think that literally everyone who you ranted at are aware what nazi stood for, and that it is youth who lack awareness for not knowing that "nazi=socialist" was a right wing talking point, with exactly the reasoning you so angrily and repeatedly gave.

    If you knew what poe's law was, why did you get so cross and defensive when I said you sounded like a right winger. If you knew that nazis aren't socialist, why did you get so cross and defensive mansplaining that socialist is in the title? If you were making a lighthearted joke, why are you so cross and defensive when people didn't see the humour? At every stage you're cross and defensive.

    You claim to be joking, and claiming had people are dumb and poorly read for explaining that nazis aren't socialist, but the more you rant about not having read a history book, the more you seem to have missed the point that nazis really aren't socialist, when you repeatedly and angrily say "It's IN the nAme, StUpiD"

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    Tell me exactly where I mentioned socialism without the word "national" before it. I'll wait.

    Again, it's not my fault if people are dumb and can't understand that National Socialism (capitalized again) is not the same as socialism.

    Oh, and by the way, "it's in the name"? Well, duh? It IS in the name? That's why I kept saying NATIONAL SOCIALISM and not just socialism? Mate, really, it's kind of stupid to explain it, but have you ever heard of jokes? Puns, and the likes? How they play with language? How the nuance in them (that I seem to lack) is where they become funny?

    Just admit that you didn't get the joke. It's fine, I wasn't expecting you to. But seriously? I should accept to be told to read a dictionary? Just... wow.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Pretending other people are dumb when your "joke" landed badly because it matches Republican taking points circa 2024 isn't convincing me that you have a sense of humour. You sound like you genuinely believe you're the only one in the world who ever noticed that the nazis misdescribed themselves as socialist.

    If you didn't spend part of 2024 explaining to maga followers that nazis weren't socialist, you can be forgiven for not realising in advance that those of us who did found your "joke" neither original nor funny. You claim to understand Poe's law but are falling miserably to recognise its relevance to you.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    You sound like you genuinely believe you're the only one in the world who ever noticed that the nazis misdescribed themselves as socialist.

    Actually, they describe themselves as NATIONAL socialists. Which is, as I keep pointing, what I wrote. You still keep pushing this and I really don't understand it. You just want to be right about something dumb, which is that I said socialism is nazism. But you keep "forgetting" (so it fits your narrative) the word NATIONAL.

    Just say it, you didn't get the joke.

    Instead, you keep beating a dead horse.

    If you didn't spend part of 2024 explaining to maga followers that nazis weren't socialist, you can be forgiven for not realising in advance that those of us who did found your "joke" neither original nor funny. You claim to understand Poe's law but are falling miserably to recognise its relevance to you.

    For the uptenth time: the joke was calling them National Socialists because anyone who has ever read a history book knows that, specifically, National Socialism (and not just socialism, without the "national") is what nazism called itself.

    You just didn't get the joke, and at this point, I'm starting to think you are just a tankie offended because someone dared to use the word "socialism" in a way you don't like.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    It doesn't really matter what I say, you don't read it for meaning, you just shout some more of the same; attempting to communicate with you is like raking water uphill.

    What does Poe's law say? How would you put it into your own words?

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    How the fuck do you not see that you are the problem here? This was a very obvious joke about how Nazis named themselves National Socialists. How have you turned this into an argument? What the actual fuck is wrong with people on this website.

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