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[–] 19 points 8 months ago (98 children)

I'm looking forward to the day when social media is heavily regulated and age-gated.

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  • [–] 100 points 8 months ago (56 children)

    Or parents can do their job. We have to suffer with age verification bullshit laws that's just there to have us all in a database.

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  • [–] 61 points 8 months ago* (10 children)

    Not having it be regulated makes it a lot harder for parents to do their job, because the kids with responsible parents are getting peer-pressured by the kids with irresponsible parents.

    Or put another way: you're not making parents do their jobs; you're making their jobs impossible by forcing them to choose between ruining their kid's mental health by letting her be exposed to social media, or ruin her mental health by forcing her to be ostracised for not using social media.

    The only way to have a successful outcome is to force everyone else's kids not to use it, not just your own, and no amount of rugged individualist good parenting can accomplish that by itself!

    That said, I am extremely sympathetic to the arguments against age verification laws too, which is why my preferred solution would be to fucking outlaw and destroy corporate social media entirely, for kids and adults alike!

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    You are exactly right. We're all in this ugly, trapped situation, together, like it or not.

    As a parent, do you remove the obviously ruinous toxins from the kiddo's environment, entirely? Seems like the only sensible choice.

    But then again...for the kid, few things could feel worse. An entire childhood spent alienated from their peers? Permanently out of the loop, to where that becomes the personality trait noticed and remembered by others?

    What a horrible bargain, I completely hate it.

    "Well, a little hideous poison for you, routinely, I guess, dear. I wouldn't want you to end up weird, after all..."

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Oh won't someone think of the parents though?! How can they be expected to parent their own children, oh the humanity

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago*

    best thing on that front is same fix for most of the working classes problems...

    -more pay

    -shift to 6hr/4d work week

    -actually invest in education

    most people are good, amd would probably love to spend more time with their family, but in the US especially they're overworked and underpaid, one accident away destitution

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago* (23 children)

    Durable societies are unfortunately bound to have such inconveniences for some in exchange for the betterment of many.

    Tech companies have released the equivalent of digital opium so they and the government are accountable.

    When we look back at the opioid epidemic of the 90s we don't blame the addicts or their families (well I suppose we did at one point, without the benefit of hindsight or a bigger picture view), we blame the Sacklers, pharmaceutical companies, doctors that took kickbacks etc.

    I'd hate for us to make the same mistake just because the drug is delivered in a way we don't completely understand yet.

    It's also not as simple as asking parents to simply be better at parenting, whatever that may mean. The drug is already out on the street, widely available, and ridiculously addictive. Keeping your child from it is not only depriving them of a dopamine hit that their brains are not developed enough to simply ignore (even most adults are addicted) and it is in many cases relegating them to social ostracization.

    This is far beyond what one parent or group of parents can fix. It requires a societal level change which generally needs to come from the government, whether we like it or not.

    I'd be happy to hear out possible solutions and, as a parent, share what is viable and what isn't. It would be nice to hear from other parents also.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (20 children)

    This rhetoric is very dangerous. It's fueling censorship specifically targeting marginalized people

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    It isn't (just) a technical problem for parents. Having the underage social media ban means that there isn't the peer pressure for kids to use - well there is, but its much lower

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    One lawmaker proposed a law that would make it illegal to allow your children to see "drag" so none of this has to deal with parents doing their jobs and everything to deal with giving Nazis control over what other people are allowed to see

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Age gated? You'd submit your driver's license or identity to these sites?

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    It's already started, for porn. The kids don't have to prove their age, they don't have proper ID. So EVERYONE ELSE has to prove THEIR ages, and if you can't, you are assumed to be underage.

    See how well that works for the Nazis? Now they get to identify EVERYBODY who is on the Internet with their legal IDs, and they will know exactly who posted that nasty meme of Trump.

    But it's okay, because it protects the children.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    already starting to happen. Australia, for example implemented a under 16 ban on social media.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    And evidence shows that it made mental health worse, because of course it did. But at least they aren't protesting the Gaza genocide so mission acomplished

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    yup. sometimes under 16s have nowhere else to turn, so they turn to social media. if they don’t have that, what are they supposed to do?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago*

    Okay but designer drug algorithms are not an option.

    I imagine they will go to the same places you, or I, or the billions that came before did when we were raised prior to social media.

    If my brother's only friend left is heroin. I am still not going to give him heroin.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Cutting addicts off from their drug of choice has short term affects of immediately deteriorating mental health. More at 11.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I'm deeply skeptical of anyone slinging around drug metaphors l. Can you considered that isolating marginalized people is bad for them? Or do you not care? Or do you like it better that way?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago*

    You can be skeptical of the drug metaphors all day but we know it is extremely addictive and harmful. They know it is too. Right here in this article is proof of that.

    No I think that social media as a whole is a blight on society, and you can whataboutism all day to make anything seem like a positive so it's worth keeping.

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