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[–] -4 points 8 months ago (15 children)
  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (10 children)

    I hate these people. I'm at a loss for words

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    You’re confused by the assertion that access to social media is at least as bad for children as some banned drugs? Is this your first day on earth?

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    It's not as bad as drugs. Don't give your kids phones. Be a parent. Don't need to upload all our data and Id to palantir databases for tracking under the same old "protect the children" bullshit

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

    It's not as bad as drugs.

    Hard disagree.

    need to upload all our data

    This isn’t necessary. For instance, simply require any device to which children have access to preinstall software that blocks 90% of the internet. Problem solved.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (6 children)

    Can you explain how social media would cause worse outcomes than kids doing hard drugs

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (4 children)

    Currently it’s illegal for kids to smoke cigarettes, which is nowhere near as harmful as social media.

    You can read any of the gazillion pieces of research to reach this extremely obvious conclusion.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    I have read them. Cigarettes give you cancer and is not a hard drug. But it wasn't my argument. I would think if they're arguing it so blatantly they would have even a basic summary of why.

    This is patriot act levels of invasion. I need some damn answers why we're doing this all again

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    Social media isn’t even in the same class as smoking in terms of harm. It’s civilization ending. Smoking shortens lives on average. Social media is an existential threat. How do you think Trump got elected?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    I honestly just think you're wrong. I can see the point you'd like to make. I can give you the benefit of the doubt that social media as it is isn't great. But I also think you're wrong

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Idk if you’ve noticed, but in just 15 years, social media turned half of Americans into Nazis. People like McCain and Romney seem positively centrist.

    the effect of Facebook on Brazil:

    By comparison, smoking shortens people’s lives. Personally, I’d prefer a shorter life than a world where 90% of the most popular podcasts are a bunch of psychopaths.

    As someone steeped in technology, if I had a button that destroys the internet, I’m not sure if I should press it. Probably.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    That's the point, it doesn't. Much like the argument about targeting marginalized people when you're talking about children.

    Edit: Yes, there are plenty of children and teens without access to information and the support structures they should have IRL. I was one of them and it's fucking awful. The internet can help with that by offering exposure to different ideologies, evidence that you aren't alone in what you're feeling or going through.

    But I don't look back on everything I did and encountered online in mid 00s - early 10s era internet and go "that was overwhelmingly a great thing that I should have had the sort of unrestricted access to that I did". And the internet has been even more corporatized and "skinner-boxed" since.

    And with the benefit of hindsight, I can see a bunch of other ways that I could have gotten the good I got from the internet without all the bad, and through things in real life that I had dismissed in my youth.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    we owe today's teens a better internet experience. we should focus on building something that would have been ideal for us to have had when we were their age

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Teens and children, and the pushback you're seeing is because a lot of people, even terminally online people, believe that limiting or preventing children (and teens) from accessing social media as they currently exist is part of making that happen.

    You have to slow the bleeding first. You can't just ignore the broken leg and start physical therapy.

    Teens vary wildly in maturity and are likely to be unfortunately caught up in rules for children. There's no easy cutoff age before 18 for when one can be trusted to be online without guard rails. I can speak from experience that teens will find a way whether its legal or not, so I'm not really super concerned about the ones who need access. They'll find a way.

    And for every person like you that says they are still alive because of unrestricted internet, there's another one who is dead because of it. 4chan, tumblr, reddit even (remember when they "totally figured out the boston bomber"?), and more direct cyberbullying all claim lives. There were 3 suicides in my highschool growing up, two determined to be cyberbullying caused and the third just rumored. I almost lost one of my younger cousins to cyberbullying as well.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    This isn't stopping the bleeding, the people who caused the bleeding in the first place of the ones doing this. I don't trust a single person in the Epstein files to have good intentions towards children or teenagers.

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