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Turns Out There Was Voter Fraud in Georgia—by Elon Musk (newrepublic.com)
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If Donald Trump’s administration really wants to find evidence of foreign interference in Georgia’s elections, then they need look no further than the president’s old friend Elon Musk and his shady super PAC.

Members of the Georgia State Elections Board voted Wednesday to issue a formal letter of reprimand to Musk’s America PAC over the billionaire technocrat’s illegal scheme to get Trump elected. Georgia, a key battleground state in 2024, was the target of aggressive campaigning by Trump’s team.

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[–] 75 points 7 months ago* (16 children)

There have been even more serious claims by The Election Truth Alliance and SMART, that they fucked with the tabulator machines to tip the election to Trump. It's definitely a huge allegation, but they have some lawsuits in PA now so we'll see what happens.

The thing is, I fully believe Trump and Musk would do anything in their power to stay out of prison, and Trump has a history of cheating and lying. The means are there, the motive is there, and the opportunity is there, but let's see how severe and credible the evidence is.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    With conservatives—or rather, the people lacking morality and empathy who flock to the ideology—it's always projection. They can't imagine having the integrity to not do what they would do when given the opportunity so they cry foul.

    In their zero-sum way of thinking, it sets them up to be ahead of the scandal. They use it as "proof" to justify their DARVO statements and whataboutisms. Morality be damned, as long as the other side takes a bigger hit, they still feel like they win.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Glad to see this doesn't get downvoted to oblivion on Lemmy at least. On Mastodon I have encountered quite some hostility on anything that could be seen as "blueanon".

    Took some time for the topic to federate, there were 10s of thousands of ppl on the subreddit about this immediately after election day having a look on the numbers. But cool that it did.

    I think the sub was "somethingiswrong2024" or so, if it still exists, haven't been on reddit lately.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    So, it's complicated. Trump and co absolutely would cheat, but there's no proof that they cheated in that exact election. However, Russia/Iran/China (but primarily Russia) has also been stoking division in the US for decades, very successfully in 2016 and 2020, as they worked with Trump/Bannon/Manafort to stoke the whole election denial thing. In 2024, this is also their MO to stoke election denial but in Democrats this time. So there are definitely outside influences to push this narrative.

    A ton of those posts in "somethingiswrong2024" are so fishy and unhinged. I'm still sane, so it's weird to see so many crazies just blatantly call everything fake.

    Having said ALL that, who knows what the actual truth is. All I ask is to understand that there are nefarious domestic (Bannon, Thiel, etc.) and foreign (Russia/Iran/China) forces to sow further division, and to use an ounce of critical thinking before going crazy and sharing unfounded information.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Oh yeah, a lot of pure nonsense in there as well, gotta filter out the relevant bits.

    And I do realise it's pretty hard to say especially from outside the USA whatever was going on as I don't ultimately know my way around the election system. So my point is basically that I wouldn't be too surprised if it turned out to be shady. Europe has now had its first cold shower moments with Trump II so what I hope is people stop parroting stuff like "It's a developed country, of course their elections are free&fair".

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    I'll believe it when I see actual evidence. So far I've seen nothing that's even remotely convincing.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Given the various polls before and after the election it shouldn't have been surprising. Trump hit on economic issues hard while Harris was doubling down on Bidens policies which, right or wrong, most people blamed for the inflation. Harris did fuck up though by not requesting a recount in at least the 3 closest contests. We should normalize verification of results without accusations of fraud.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Yes, that's the other side of the coin. The DNC fucked up so badly in many ways, and it wasn't their first time.

    It's complicated. Some polls said Harris would win, along with Allan Lichtman who has been right about every election since 1984. However there are other signs that Trump was going to win. Also further complicated that Trump has a 30 year history of cheating and lying to win, and he and Musk would do everything in their power to not go to prison. Also also, Russia/China/Iran love to stoke and accelerate internal divisions by pushing election denial conspiracies. So overall, there's a lot of variables here and I would sleep better with PA having done a full hand recount (though I know that won't actual happen).

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, like I said, those are massive claims. I'm an experienced data scientist and I've followed ETA's methods and results, and even debated with another internet election science guy about it. On the surface ETA's data looks like evidence of something fucky, but digging a little deeper shows some potential odd methods they choose to represent stuff and not enough baseline data analysis to compare against their anomalous data analysis.

    Still, I fully believe they tried to cheat given their character and long history of cheating in every aspect of life, so I'm withholding final judgement until the lawsuits are born out.

    Would you support a hand recount in PA? I still would, just to put the whole issue to bed once and for all.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Sure, no reason not to count again as long as it's open and honest. But I personally doubt they will find anything major. It's not that I don't think Trump would cheat, but it's hard to do and harder to get away with.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Devil's advocate: if they had access to the software that's on the network-connected machines, of only 2 major brands, wouldn't that make it easier to install malware?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Well, fortunately for us, everything they've tried so far has backfired, because they didn't account for the fact that unleashing the Gestapo would piss off both red and blue states. Even the push for gerrymandering backfired, not because of Democratic opposition, but because they got their asses kicked in the 2025 elections and can no longer adequately project which races will favor them.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    backfired

    WHAT? You mean the dictator that personally controls every agency, the SC, most of Congress, a ton of mainstream wide-reaching media, and represents the billionaire ruling elite (Musk et al) that further control every other institution in America? They've set back America by DECADES with what they've done. We need to take some serious action to unfuck things, but it will take a long long time.

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