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[–] 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (53 children)

Okay, so:

  • Voting Democrat in the general election is the choice with (edited in: the) least horrible consequences and
  • Voting Democrat in the general election isn't nearly enough to stop the ratchet-effecting into fascism, and a stand-for-nothing placeholder centrist Democrat president in 2028 will probably just lead to Trump-3/Vance/someone similarly horrible in 2032

are unfortunately both true.

Also, non-MAGA Americans - (EDIT: liberals, not the party leaders) and leftists alike - need better people skills. With infighting like this, Republicans hardly even need to lift a finger.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (20 children)

    Also, non-MAGA Americans - democrats and leftists alike - need better people skills.

    One of those two groups runs the party and demands that we both vote for them no matter how bad they get, while simultaneously telling us to fuck off.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (19 children)

    Edited for clarity, I was supposed to say "liberals". Thanks for helping me realise that!

    You're right about the party leadership, too.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (29 children)

    Voting Democrat in the general election isn’t nearly enough to stop the ratchet-effecting into fascism, and a stand-for-nothing placeholder centrist Democrat president in 2028 will probably just lead to Trump-3/Vance/someone similarly horrible in 2032

    I mean, we could also just vote for a Democrat in 2032 and not have fascism. Or, we could defeat fascism in the United States if the left would just get up off it's ass and DO SOMETHING instead of just complaining like they always do.

    I'm serious. What the hell has the left actually done in this country to change anything, to stop fascism, to defeat capitalisim? Where are the collectives so I can get a job without having to go to a soul sucking corporation? Where are the "citizen patrols" so we don't need to rely on fascist police to protect people? When somebody loses their job where's the help, the support structure? When someone gets evicted and their house gets stolen by the bank what are the leftists doing about it? Where's the alternatives to "the system" you all say you're going to undermine but never actually do? This is all stuff that I've literally been hearing from the left my entire life, where the hell is it? Is it ever going to actually happen? I haven't seen shit from "the left" in this country except a bunch of stupid youtube videos about how the latest blockbuster movie or YA novel doesn't have enough representation in it or how celebrity/politician/CEO XYZ is bad so you better not support them/listen to their music/read their latest book else you're supporting [insert bad thing here.] You understand me not playing a video game or watching a TV show becasue someone bigoted was involved in it's creation changes nothing, right? You understand standing around holding a sign blocking traffic isn't going to change anything, right? None of that virtue signaling shit matters, except to make yourself feel good. You know what actually CAN change things? You know what actually CAN defeat fascim? Voting. But we can't even get the left to get up off it's ass and do that every four years.

    So you don't like Democrats? Would the president of Venezuela been kidnapped if Kamala were president? Would ICE be out in the street busting down doors and sending people to death prisions in Columbia? Would ICE be straight up running people over and shooting them? Would Elon Musk and his band of dipshits have gutted the social safety nets so millions of kids starve to death? Would bombs be murdering entire families in Iran right now? The answer to these questions is "NO," and anyone who thinks otherwise is part of the problem.

    So please, don't give me this shit about how voting democrats somehow "enables fascism" because that's a load of B.S. 100 years ago it was LEFTISTS who made this country better. Because of LEFTISTS we have a 40 hour work week, and an 8 hour work day. LEFTISTS stopped child labor. LEFTISTS passed anti-corruption laws. LEFTSIST broke up the trusts, smashed monopolies, and stopped greedy corporations from spewing thier shit into the water and air. 100 years ago LEFTISTS got up off their asses and made the country a better place. And how did they do it? BY VOTING. Because protesting doesn't change things, making tik tok videos that critique mainstream media doesn't change things, throwing cans of soup at the Mona Lisa doesn't change things - LAWS change things. And you pass laws by voting.

    You don't want to vote? Then don't. But don't give me this bullshit about how it doesn't do anything, because it does. It's the only god damned thing that actually changes things.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    That's a big assumption to be made about me, especially when I said

    Voting Democrat in the general election is the choice with (edited in: the) least horrible consequences

    (that is, one should vote for Democrats).

    I believe voting is the bare minimum of political effort that should be expected of every citizen of an electoral country, and that tactical voting is sometimes necessary.

    And I understand your disappointment with the American left. My comment is addressed to them as much as it is to you.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    And I understand your disappointment with the American left. My comment is addressed to them as much as it is to you.

    But it's still incumbent on the left to capitulate to the center at all times and kiss their genocidal asses no matter who they murder.

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