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Maul was cut in half! (europe.pub)
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[–] 38 points 4 months ago (24 children)

So the whole "force ghost" thing requires much time spent meditating in the force. Yoda communed with force Qui Gon to learn it and gave instructions for Obiwan on how to train for it during his exile on Tatooine.

Having completed this meditation training, Qui Gon would have been at peace with dying. Similar to how Obiwan seemed to allow Vader to strike him down during their final duel; only to return through the force to Luke.

Perhaps part of the reason that this technique is not more wide spread is because it inherently weakens ones determination to survive.

The Sith cannot transcend death in this way. They must pour their power into clinging on to life.

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I'm pretty sure Anakin showing up as a force ghost kind of disproves the fact that the sith need to do that because that awesome motherfucker only repented for like 30 seconds before he died.

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 4 months ago (15 children)

    Then what's the story with Vader doing it in RotJ?

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  • [–] 32 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    He stopped being a Sith and then mastered the technique really fast by being a chosen one. It's like that one scene in Kung Fu Panda 2

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

    That's where the controversy comes into play. Cuz the whole force ghost mechanics were written after similar to midicloreans....

    There's basically a few explainations.

    1. It's part of his redemption

    2. His midicloreans... / natural affinity with the force

    3. His connection with obiwan, quigon, yoda who all helped him trancend.

    4. Makes for a good ending. (The original reason probs)

    ...

    In an alternate timeline where Lucas finished all 9 movies I could see him re-releasing the movies with some choice edits. Similar to this but a little less tongue in cheek.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Fun fact: it was intended to be a 12 part series, like the Flash Gordon or Buck Rodgers serials of the 1930s.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (4 children)

    But critically NOT during the first movie. During ANH nobody expected there to be a sequel.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    George always wanted it to happen, but if I recall correctly you are right, it wasn’t even called A New Hope or had the title crawl until It was re-released shortly before Empire.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    I don't doubt he had a bigger story. The conflict between the two mentalities is what led to humorous bits like the Luke & Leia kiss before the knew they were related.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    As I understand it George was the ideas man, part of the reason the prequels went off the rails a bit is because he removed himself from people who had helped the original trilogy be what it is, people like Lawrence Kasden. I’ve always been curious which one of them had them kiss and which one of them decided they were siblings as much of Empire was written by Kasden.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Why you gotta poke a hole in this guy's awesome theory? So mean.

    But yeah...

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    It's a pretty widely discussed plot hole. But like plot holes are what you get when you start writing a story that you never expected to finish and then after you finish it decide that was the middle of the story.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    it inherently weakens one’s determination to survive

    This is a good point. Aren’t Jedis quite selfless though? I would think that they would already not prioritize their own survival over other principles.

    When you work on dissolving the self, one big benefit is you stop freaking out so much about death. You recognize that even though you’re locked into this very narrow subjective experience, it’s still one cell in a much larger process which will endure after your death. It becomes much less “the end of everything.”

    I would guess that Jedis are totally there and wouldn’t change any of their choices based on whether their little subjective consciousness will cling to existence or not.

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  • [–] -3 points 4 months ago*

    I would think that they would already not prioritize their own survival over other principles.

    I think the Sith are one of the few things that present a threat larger than the average Jedi master can navigate.

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