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[–] 1 point 3 months ago (14 children)

I mostly decrease eating out which is arguably worse because now they get a 0% tip. If enough people avoid establishments that abuse tipping then the problem will solve itself.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (11 children)

    But they don't have to work for you for free if you don't go, and you're not actually subsidizing the restaurant if you're not paying the menu price.

    It's for sure worse for the worker if you go, pay for your meal, and don't tip them. The owner doesn't care, he got his, and if the worker (who gets 0% in either scenario) quits another just takes their place tomorrow.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Maybe on an individual level but if no one goes there won't be a restaurant or that job for long. Getting something is typically better than getting nothing.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (5 children)

    Not as a server. No it’s not.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    So getting a 15% tip is worse than getting no business at all?

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  • [+] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    My issue isn't with the service staff, it's with business owners who are increasingly abusing their workers by offloading their pay onto tips. I mainly fight this by just not eating out or eating out at places where tipping isn't customary. Also for what it's worth I only stay stateside a portion of the year, where else I stay tipping is unusual, not unheard of but definitely not a common thing people do. So in the end instead of 15% they get 0% because I didn't go out to eat and of course the business owner gets $0.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Sure but "getting something" implies you're tipping, I'm talking about people who still go and do not tip.

    If you tip, then yeah, that is indeed better for the server. What's better for the server overall is getting to the point where you can escape the industry but of course it has its ways of keeping you locked in (and not all of them are "tips or the lack thereof"), but in the short term:

    Tip and work>no tip no work>no tip but still work

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It's like you didn't read my comments at all. I never said anything about not tipping at all outside of the circumstance where I never went to the restaurant to begin with. If I don't go then the owner gets $0 and the server gets $0 since I didn't use their service or purchase their product aka they both get 0%.

    The scenario you're bringing up really has nothing to do with anything I've said this entire time.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Ok, I'll run it back for you. Give me a minute to edit this all together, I'm on mobile.

    You said:

    I mostly decrease eating out which is arguably worse because now they get a 0% tip. If enough people avoid establishments that abuse tipping then the problem will solve itself.

    To which I replied:

    But they don't have to work for you for free of you don't go

    As in while you're giving them 0% tip, you're also giving them 0% work to do, by not going to the establishment.

    The problem is those who give them 0% tip and 100% work to do.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Much better for them to work for free to serve you without pay? GTFO.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago*

    I tip what was once normal or even generous a few years ago and generally avoid places that push this behavior so the business owner and the employees get nothing from me. Mostly though if I eat out it's at places where tipping isn't customary.

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