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[–] 134 points 2 months ago (38 children)

"No way to prevent this" says only distro where this regularly happens

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  • [–] 52 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (14 children)

    News from this year:

    • virtualbox-ext-vnc >= 7.2.12-2 requires manual intervention (package won't install)
    • Active AUR malicious packages incident (the AUR is locked)
    • Arch Linux 2026 Leader Election Results
    • Breaking changes for all users of varnish, which is renamed to vinyl-cache (it's a proxy, only affects servers)
    • kea >= 1:3.0.3-6 update requires manual intervention (dhcp server, affects routers)
    • iptables now defaults to the nft backend (affects pretty much nothing)

    Repost.

    Also, my Mint install broke, uh, shit I don't remember, 5 times? Arch broke zero times. Zero times not my own fault for forgetting I was installing something and shutting off the computer, of course. Except for the times I tried the fucking installer python script, but since I never even booted the install it doesn't count.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Mint broke for you? That's the first I've heard of it.

    Also if you have a habit of shutting down the PC during updates, check out atomic/immutable distros. They are almost impossible to break. You can pull the power during an update and it'll be fine.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I dont get the bad press arch got. I use arch (btw) and can't remember last time it wont boot after an update. It maybe happened to me twice in 20 years and at least once was my fault and the other was because i didn't read the pacman post warning me

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Once it happened to me because 6 years prior I'd made a change thinking 'hah. That makes more sense' and then things changed under me and I had to read journalctl in a tty. Low key enjoyed dealing with it. But here's the thing: most ppl are dead at that point. No idea what to do. Arch is for nerds.

    Edit: if you also read my other post about iptables, this is a completely different thing. I had two issues.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    If you're running Virtualbox on Arch you deserve everything you get.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    What's wrong with it?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Let me put it like this: Imagine you've won this beautiful pristine house full of potential and it cost you absolutely nothing. You can rennovate and decorate and do anything you want with it. Endless possibilities.

    Instead, the first thing you decide to do is call up Larry Ellison and invite him to personally come and shit on your kitchen floor. And one day you forgot his shit was still on the floor and you stepped in it and now Larry's shit is all through your house. And then the phone rings and it's Larry because he's been monitoring your house and now his lawyers are suing you for stepping in his shit.

    In addition to VirtualBox being a fucking awful piece of software, Oracle is the absolute antithesis of Linux - anti-user, anti-freedom. Why would you put that closed-source, privacy-trampling, proprietary bullshit on your pristine Linux install? . Use KVM virtualization instead, or even a more modern docker-ish like solution.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    this year

    And one post earlier (2025-12-20) that the image likely could be about:

    NVIDIA 590 driver drops Pascal and lower support

    Install nvidia-580xx-dkms from the AUR

    Impact: Updating the NVIDIA packages [without manually changing to AUR packages] on systems with Pascal, Maxwell, or older cards will fail to load the driver, which may result in a broken graphical environment.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Active AUR malicious packages incident (the AUR is locked)

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    To be fair, adoption as a concept is the problem not the actual aur.

    The fundamentals of the aur was fine though that entire ordeal. It's just one optional choice layered on top that wasn't

    Blaming the aur fundamentally for that choice is like blaming the city planner for when a idiot turns down the wrong way on a one way street.

    We kinda just accepted the risk because the upsides were worth it. But some people are assholes and gotta ruin it for everyone.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    This isn't the first type of problem that the AUR has had. A few years ago it had problems staying up, because it had no scalability to speak of.

    "Best hopes and wishes" is not an accepted engineering design strategy. If something can be abused, it will be. Not planning for it is just that, poor planning.

    The AUR has been poorly put together and this wave of malware is just another symptom of a deeper problem.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (18 children)

    Arch explicitly says "never do this"

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago (17 children)

    Well yeah and cigarettes tell you not to smoke them

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (16 children)

    Lol. Care to explain how your analogy stands?

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago (14 children)

    Arch will give you cancer

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Hasn’t yet. Ubuntu, on the other hand, managed to piss me off completely

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I have been using arch linux. And I havent gotten cancer yet. How do i have to be using arch linux to get it?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Exactly

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (4 children)

    Hasn't yet. Ubuntu, on the other hand, managed to piss me off completely

    Edit: sorry, wrong thread

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    Damn I thought you were about to say Ubuntu gave you cancer

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    I was :) But then decided it wasn't that serious

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    To be honest, I'm a firm believer that if it's considered required to read the news file for updating then the update tool should be printing that information for you. I used to have a hook that did it, but it was flaky. Also, I saw the creator mention that due to the design of the hooks, it happens too late in the process for some manual intervention to be done properly. But because everyone in Arch has such an obsession with "no bloat" I doubt we'll ever see pacman have that feature.

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