background info (and a bit of an apology): im pretty sure that a comrade on here also confessed to this and i shunned them for it. this was because of my own shame and internalized moral panic. now that i am being more open about it i no longer feel the urge to shame others. i would like to apologize to this comrade and if you recognize yourself in my message please feel free to dm me if thats what u want.

some of our comrades subscribe to an openly genAI position and believe that friend AI chatbots will actually cure loneliness and social isolation. i oppose this belief and i want this thread to be a discussion about the bad effects of using this technology especially as a child. if you are pro genAI this might not be for you.

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[–] 5 points 1 month ago (6 children)

My grands lived through the Great Depression, two Great Wars, Vietnam, Bay of Pigs, Korea, two gulf invasions, horse and wagon, outhouses, flour sack clothing, scrub board and wringer washes, lye soap, telegraph, telephone (party and private line), television, satellite television, cars, certain family members not being allowed in hospitals, the vote, having bank accounts, dengue, yellow fever, lead posing, asbestos, uranium glass, root medicine, tuberculosis, laboring as children on farms, in cotton mills, steel mills, no osha, workers comp, social security, food safety inspections, polio, vaccinations, home insurance, health insurance, divorces... I think most of us Westerners have had it pretty soft, and I try to remember that when I feel bad for myself.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (5 children)

    I grew up incredibly poor in a demuncipalized neighborhood.

    outhouses, flour sack clothing

    For a good chunk of my childhood, this was the case. Not flour sack, but making our own clothing out of scraps from donations since they often didn't fit.

    satellite television

    That was seen as pricy growing up. Mostly was just public access.

    dengue, yellow fever

    COVID-19 fucked an entire generation or even two to come.

    lead posing, asbestos

    I started facilities maintenance work at 16 and was exposed to both at that age.

    laboring as children on farms in steel mills/cotton gins

    I have been working since I was 13 starting off as a carnie. Seen some interesting shit this way at a young age.

    workers comp, social security, food safety inspections

    We basically don't have any of this anymore. Significant cuts/defunding to all of these or complete abolishment of regulations for the latter.

    vaccinations

    Oh god, don't even get me started.

    I think most of us Westerners have had it pretty soft

    Some of us did. There are inherent benefits to growing up in the west and the advantages that you take from it are given to you just by the merit of the cost of living you have subsidized by the extraction and exploitation of the third world. There are entirely disenfranchised, urban poor that are near third-world levels. In my case and in many others, this was in the NE of America. To add, I didn't have regular water, electricity nor gas service. Many cases without such for a month. Many people I knew growing up lived like this, "squatting".

    Not to say that you don't have a point, you do. But when people tell me this kind of thing I just think of my own experience and ponder it even more.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    My own experience wasn't super, lol. But it was posh compared to most kids not in the west.

    13? Interestingly, we're twinning, there.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    Yup. At 13 I was working summers and school-breaks traveling with a state circuit for circus tours. Ended up taking absences constantly until I almost failed two years straight till I was 15. I was very lucky to have the counselor I have to advocate for me, otherwise I would have dropped out in middle-school.

    Towards end of freshman year I was working at a breakfast-dinner family restaurant as a line-cook nearly full-time. Eventually transferred to facilities maintenance work while going to trade-school while in high-school junior-senior. Worked at a church built in the 1800s starting off as a tile-cutter for asbestos tile replacement for historic building of the church and daycare center that was converted parish-housing. Not that any of it mattered anyways because it was all minimum wage.

    My life has always been poverty. I have the ability to fix your main-line of your toilet, your toilet itself, I can caulk, fit bath-tubs, windows and other various housing "accessories" and I can also work with low voltage electrical cert-wise, HVAC, asbestos, landscaping, roofing and almost every trade you can think of besides for ironworking and boiler-making. I don't like to reveal much about myself but I'm not even 30.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    🙂 We twin in other areas, as well. But I've never messed with asbestos and I don't aim to do. I also know diddly about HVAC, beyond ductwork and the trip switch on the outside unit.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Just so tiring. All of these skills for dog-shit pay. At this point I've become a walking stereotype of what "boomers tell you what you should do" so when people start talking inevitably about it I can just point out that I've taken every step of learning skills, hopping careers to build more skills, went to trade school, fully certified myself and even have my own side-gig and they really have no response after I drop all that on them. Just think I'm some absurd outlier when half of this country lives paycheck to paycheck because they're so fucking insulated and privileged. Exhausting.

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