Ive been seeing a lot of reports on Ukranian drones targeting Civilians in Russia, Donestk, Crimea, LPR, and DPR. Is Russia targeting Civilians in Ukraine as well? I mostly hear about their missiles striking cities but I'm not sure if they actually have a drone network like Ukraine. Or if they are unapologetically targeting Civilians like Ukraine seems to be doing.

It's normal in war to expect civilian causalities but how frequent we see it occurring really feels like its pointless death for the sake of numbers. Like we know from tons of previous conflicts that striking the civilians just makes them more aggressive against the system that is striking them

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[–] 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

What's interesting is that despite the volumes of drones and missiles launched by Russia having steadily gone up, the civilian casualties in Ukraine from these now regular waves of strikes gave gone down since Ukrainian interceptor missiles have been depleted. Now Russian missiles practically all hit their targets and very few get intercepted anymore over civilian areas in Ukraine. Also, less misfired and failed Ukrainian AD missiles are landing on Ukrainian residential buildings.

The opposite phenomenon is occurring in Russia and Russian controlled regions, where civilian casualties have gone up since Russian air defenses around military targets (and also recently refineries) have been significantly improved, and Ukraine can only hit unprotected soft targets with its drones. In addition to this opportunistic targeting they have also openly admitted (and European politicians have endorsed this strategy) to now trying to pressure Russia into a ceasefire by systematically targeting civilian infrastructure such as e-commerce warehouses. The stated Ukrainian strategy is "bring the war to the Russian people", "make them feel the impact of the war", i.e. terrorism.

The Russian strategy continues to be systematic attrition and demilitarization of Ukraine, primarily its military industry, military supply depots, logistics, and of course manpower. Sometimes this causes collateral damage among civilians, especially when Ukraine hides military supply depots, weapons systems and production facilities in residential areas. We have seen numerous videos in recent months of huge explosions of Ukrainian ammunition depots being filmed from residential apartment buildings fairly close by.

Ukrainian and "pro-Ukrainian" media/social media also like to brag and publish articles/posts about how "patriotic" Ukrainians are manufacturing drones in their apartments. This is extremely bad because it potentially turns every apartment into a legitimate military target. So far i have not seen a single instance of Russia deliberately targeting residential buildings, and i hope it stays that way, but it might not if Ukraine continues to turn civilian infrastructure into terrorism enabling facilities.

For now, on any given day Russia's air defense intercepts most Ukrainian drones such that when Ukraine launches hundreds barely a handful get through (and sometimes none at all), but if Ukraine's drone terror campaign starts to become a real problem then Russia might have no choice but to expand its targeting to wherever drones are assembled or stored regardless of collateral damage. As NATO and its Kiev puppets get desperate they will do increasingly reckless things that will provoke an even harsher response from Russia. Imo, the closer the war gets to its end the uglier it will get, unfortunately.

That is why the best thing to do if we want to stop regular Ukrainians from dying is stop sending the Nazi regime weapons and money with which to prolong and escalate the war.

All that said, we should also try to put this discussion into some perspective: even with Ukraine's deliberate targeting of civilians, and with collateral damage from Russian strikes increasing as Russia loosens restrictions on its targeting, the overall civilian to military casualty ratio is still extremely small by the standards of a modern conflict. We have not seen such low civilian to military casualty ratios in any major conflict in the 20th or 21st century. The vast majority of modern conflicts (most of which have involved the US in one way or another) have had disproportionately higher civilian death toll than actual military personnel casualties.

And that is in itself remarkable considering that one side here (Russia) does have a clear overmatch over the other, and if they chose to deliberately target civilians or even if they simply stopped paying attention to collateral damage, could easily inflict orders of magnitude more harm and destruction, and that's just with conventional weapons.

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    Ukrainian and "pro-Ukrainian" media/social media also like to brag and publish articles/posts about how "patriotic" Ukrainians are manufacturing drones in their apartments. This is extremely bad because it potentially turns every apartment into a legitimate military target.

    Do they receive military grade materials from the Ukrainian Army and are assembling them in their apartment? Did Ukraine lost any means to assembly them in some weapon manufactory? Idk much about this all.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    The explosive material almost certainly. Other parts they fund through volunteer donations.

    The issue is that any large weapons factory or munition warehouse in Ukraine sooner or later gets obliterated by a Russian hypersonic missile. Which is why for years now Ukraine has been forced to adopt this decentralized, distributed system for assembling and storing many of their weapons.

    (BTW, I specifically use the word "assembling" here and not "manufacturing" because of course they do not manufacture the drone components themselves, and neither does Europe, despite what they will sometimes claim in the media; they all import them from Asia, mostly China unfortunately...)

    And this is not a secret, as i said, they like to brag about it in the media:

    Here is an NPR article: https://www.npr.org/2025/04/12/g-s1-59428/ukraine-drones-russia-war

    Here is Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2024/03/07/how-ukraine-is-building-a-drone-army-at-its-kitchen-tables/

    Here is UK news citing CNN: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1839141/ukraine-couple-drone-russia-war

    Here is Ukrainian media: https://en.ain.ua/2024/02/05/stories-of-ukrainians-who-assemble-kamikaze-drones/

    This one is particularly heinous where they brag about having children assemble them in schools: https://hromadske.ua/en/society/224639-every-high-school-student-assembles-a-drone-a-report-from-a-kyiv-school-that-teaches-robotics

    Ukrainian official saying more children should assemble drones at school: https://thepressunited.com/updates/kiev-urged-to-use-kids-to-make-drones-in-schools-to-evade-russian-strikes/

    Here is Ukraine's most fanatical pro-Maidan publication: https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/01/15/minister-urges-ukrainians-to-assemble-fpv-drone-for-army-at-home/

    Here is an article citing Spain's El Pais: https://en.ua2.news/1458-drone-workshops-ukraine.html

    Here more Ukrainians proudly boast about making drones in the same home their family lives in: https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2024/1204/ukraine-drones-war-russia-volunteer

    Here is them explaining their process in detail: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-we-assemble-fpv-drones-ukrainian-armed-forces-our-office-ssynf

    And those are just some of the English language articles. If you look in Russian or Ukrainian you will find way more: https://www.0512.com.ua/ru/news/3694630/nuzny-kak-vozduh-v-nikolaevskoj-oblasti-starseklassniki-sobiraut-drony-ctoby-pomoc-voennym-foto

    And speaking of using children, here is another Ukrainian publication proudly explaining how Ukraine plans to teach school children combat skills: https://www.volynnews.com/news/all/ukrayinskykh-shkoliariv-navchatymut-keruvaty-FPV-dronamy/

    All of this is indication of extreme desperation, late 1944 Nazi Germany Volkssturm levels, drafting children and old people because everyone else has run out.

    Also, they use the civilian postal service to ship drones and other weapons, which is why you see Russia destroy so many of those locations. This is also no secret and the Ukrainians and Western volunteers in Ukraine openly post pictures of themselves with these facilities bragging about weapons shipments.

    Just like they hide shipments of weapons in civilian trucks and ships, and use civilian cars to transport troops to the front. The fact that this also turns any civilian vehicle into a legitimate potential target for Russia is intentional on the part of Kiev, because collateral damage to civilians helps them present themselves as victims for propaganda in Western media.

    None of these are the actions of a regime that is winning or even in a stalemate as is sometimes claimed in the West.

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