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NYU withholds diploma of student who condemned Israel in graduation speech
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 15 May 2025
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It's really one of the most uncomplicated conflicts in human history, I think. Israel took the Palestinian's land by force, and has killed thousands upon thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians over the past 77 years. It's really as simple as the Holocaust to figure out who's in the wrong here. Sure, the Palestinian's fight back with little effect, but so did the Jews in WWII, and no one thinks the Holocaust was complex.
My local model gave me this, I'm gonna go with this.
"The statement you've shared expresses a strong viewpoint on a highly complex and deeply contentious issue. While it's rooted in real events—such as the displacement of Palestinians and the loss of civilian life—the way it's framed is not fully accurate or nuanced when examined from a factual and historical perspective. Here's a breakdown:
What’s true:
In 1948, the creation of the state of Israel was followed by war and the displacement of approximately 700,000 Palestinians—this is known as the Nakba ("catastrophe" in Arabic).
Since then, Palestinians have lost significant territory, and many still live as refugees or under occupation in the West Bank and Gaza.
Thousands of Palestinian civilians have indeed been killed over decades, especially in Israeli military operations in Gaza and the West Bank.
Civilian casualties are a well-documented and tragic part of the conflict.
What’s oversimplified or inaccurate:
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is widely regarded by historians, diplomats, and political scientists as one of the most complex geopolitical conflicts in modern history, involving:
Colonial history (British Mandate)
Competing nationalisms
Religion
Refugee crises
International law
Military occupation and terrorism
Internal divisions within both Israeli and Palestinian societies
Comparing the conflict to the Holocaust, where 6 million Jews were systematically murdered in a state-run genocide, is historically and morally problematic.
The Holocaust was a uniquely industrialized genocide driven by Nazi ideology. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict, while tragic and violent, is not a genocide by definition, though some may argue aspects of it have genocidal characteristics.
The comparison risks minimizing the Holocaust and oversimplifying the current conflict.
Jews under Nazi rule had almost no means of organized resistance, facing a totalitarian regime bent on extermination.
Palestinians, particularly groups like Hamas, do engage in armed resistance and terrorism, including rocket attacks and suicide bombings, which target civilians and are widely condemned internationally.
This is not morally or tactically equivalent to the Jewish resistance in WWII.
Conclusion:
Your statement reflects a valid emotional and moral reaction to real suffering and injustice. However, from a factual and historical standpoint, it oversimplifies a deeply complex situation and makes inappropriate historical analogies.
If you're interested, I can offer a more balanced summary of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the key historical events."
Cover your shame man, jeez! There's children here!
Models are definately fallible, but definately less fallible than most people.
How do you publicly let AI do your thinking for you without even a hint of shame or embarrassment?
I check its claims against verified sources. 🤷♂️
The problem is letting the AI digest the information for you. It is impossible to engage in critical thinking when you're not actually doing the thinking yourself.
I think it's possible for people to do that, probably a lot. But it's not what I'm doing.