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OpenAI stole research out from under mathematicians' noses and now suddenly all the STEM bros are very hot and bothered (europe.pub)
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Didn't care when the arts and humanities were being scraped dry, but suddenly they're all coming out against it now that they're going after the sciences

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[–] 84 points 1 month ago (13 children)

You're committing the blunder of alienating your allies. Complaining, that "the STEM bros" didn't push back against AI earlier, is just gatekeeping.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    This is kind of a case of individuals from specific industries or mediums of study championing AI while other individuals from those same industries or mediums of study denounce it and speak against it.

    I don't think we should pretend that the two groups are mutually inclusive. But at the same time, there's definitely people working in STEM who were very happy to champion AI and use it. The scientists in the article are an example of people who may have only used AI and not championed it, but the fact that they did use the AI LLM is not in doubt. This result is of their own making given that all of the warning signs have been there for a couple of years now at least.

    We can't pretend that all of STEM emphatically denounced AI. But we shouldn't pretend that All of STEM championed it either.

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  • [+] -18 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    They alienated us first, can we acknowledge that?

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    For specific individuals who personally alienated us, yeah, sure. But if you generalize and broadly accuse all tech bros, there will be people who think you're targeting them, even though they've never actively alienated us.

    Let's not let ourselves be divided unnecessarily.

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  • [+] -15 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Should I suck their dicks too?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Where did you get the idea that that was what the parent commenter meant?

    Look, you're an .ml user, so I'll make this simple to understand. If you take the stance that "most" is close enough to "all" as makes no difference, then people who are part of the all but not part of the most will realize that taking a stance against the most gets them punished both by the most and by the people who hate the most. Pretty soon, "most" will become "all", and really, who can blame them?

    And personally, I'm not convinced that most scientists were singing the praises of AI before it came for their field. You're tarring an awfully large community based on the actions of a tiny few.

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  • [+] [S] -52 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    You’re committing the blunder of alienating your allies.

    It was "STEM bros" that continued to champion generative AI and make it possible for it to become the planet-sized threat it has turned into now. It was "STEM bros" that consistently belittled the concerns of those in the arts and the humanities when they were warning against what their creations were doing. It was "STEM bros" that kept telling everyone they were making a big deal out of nothing, that the environmental effects were overblown, that it's a whole lot of fearmongering.

    They are not allies to those of us, in STEM and in other disciplines alike, that have been trying to hold the line against generative AI from the start. For them to turn against it now that it's suddenly infringing on their careers is self-serving and while I do not begrudge their support I will sure as hell not genuflect and thank them for it.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)
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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago

    No we fucking didn't. Lol. Those are tech bros. Myself in the vast majority of my colleagues would never advocate for releasing products that were dangerous and half cocked. This is from somebody who spent his entire career studying artificial intelligence amongst other things.

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