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[–] 36 points 5 days ago* (77 children)

One side is far more powerful and commiting genocide, the other is poor and simply trying to survive. Currently it is not complex at all.

My initial position after those first attacks from Hamas were Isreal has the right to defend itself, but what has happened since then is so far beyond the scope of what is acceptable, it is horrible.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    There's a deeper level to it. Israel, especially netanyahu over his long career, created the entire situation. And they did it directly and intentionally

    Palestine used to be governed by the PLA. Hamas are hardliners - their founding goal was to turn the region against Israel and drive out the Israeli people. Hardliners are the least effective form of any movement

    Israel held elections for Palestinians, giving them an official group to negotiate with, as well as some legal recognition that allows them to collect funds

    As soon as Hamas won a single election, they stopped holding elections and the PLA leaders were assassinated soon after

    Not to mention the on again off again attacks... Israel would build them infrastructure like hospitals and desalinization plants, then blow them up

    There's a lot to say on the topic, so I'll end it with a fact that really puts things in contrast...

    Before October 11, the average age in Gaza was under 18, and it isn't like their population numbers were booming

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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago* (6 children)

    Isreal has the right to defend itself

    Israel has been on the offense for 80 years, read a damn history book. PRETENDING that this began on Oct.7 is intellectual dishonesty and evidence that you regurgitate talking points sans critical thought.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago (5 children)

    I didn't start at Oct 7, but before it, the region was in relative peace for a few years.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago (4 children)

    still a completely pro Israel take.

    how can there be peace when Israel kidnaps Palestinians off the streets with impunity?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago (3 children)

    Citation needed. What I mean by relative peace is the fact there was no war and no big signs of escalation from Israel.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    No signs of escalation like, say, sniping children in the crowd of a peaceful protest at the walls of a ghetto?

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