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[–] 172 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (9 children)

When you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.

-Geddy Lee, Neil Peart, and Alex Lifeson

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    [–] 15 points 4 days ago*

    Solving the conflict between a poor and powerless Palestine and the nuclear power of Israel IS one of the most complex political issues. Not only, but also because of the power-imbalance and generational hate on both sides.

    The genocide in Gaza is decidedly NOT complex though. Yes it is a part of that entire thing, but the fact that the IDF is committing crimes against humanity is as simple as can be.

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  • [–] 36 points 4 days ago* (77 children)

    One side is far more powerful and commiting genocide, the other is poor and simply trying to survive. Currently it is not complex at all.

    My initial position after those first attacks from Hamas were Isreal has the right to defend itself, but what has happened since then is so far beyond the scope of what is acceptable, it is horrible.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    There's a deeper level to it. Israel, especially netanyahu over his long career, created the entire situation. And they did it directly and intentionally

    Palestine used to be governed by the PLA. Hamas are hardliners - their founding goal was to turn the region against Israel and drive out the Israeli people. Hardliners are the least effective form of any movement

    Israel held elections for Palestinians, giving them an official group to negotiate with, as well as some legal recognition that allows them to collect funds

    As soon as Hamas won a single election, they stopped holding elections and the PLA leaders were assassinated soon after

    Not to mention the on again off again attacks... Israel would build them infrastructure like hospitals and desalinization plants, then blow them up

    There's a lot to say on the topic, so I'll end it with a fact that really puts things in contrast...

    Before October 11, the average age in Gaza was under 18, and it isn't like their population numbers were booming

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    [–] 90 points 5 days ago* (11 children)

    Isn't Netanyahu wanted for genocide?

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    [–] 93 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    Keep digging that hole, Ed.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 days ago*

    I always try to give people the benefit of doubt. But now he's said too much for that to apply.

    The entirety of Palestine, Gaza, and Israel is complex. Though, it has to be said, part of that is because Israel has done everything in their power to keep it "complex". When serious progress was being made in the early years of their nation. Their response was to assassinate the mediator. Yes. Really. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte (Oh I mean... It was totally these extremists, a rebel group, and in no way was Israel involved, they investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing!)

    The Israeli genocide in Gaza however. Is not very complex. It's quite simple. It's a genocide. And they need to be held accountable. Though I wouldn't hold my breath.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 days ago

    I think this guy is an entertainment puffball who is not cut out to have sophisticated opinions on anything or any opinions about sophisticated matters, but he is fast becoming a textbook case on how that doesn’t matter because you can’t simply throw up your hands at genocide and say “I’m not a political person.”

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  • [–] 55 points 5 days ago

    Israel existing, and being protected from neighbors is, to my mind, a "complex political issue."

    Israel performing genocide on Palestinians and annexing their homes is not.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    The most complex political issue on the planet remains how to handle climate change.

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    [–] 59 points 5 days ago (6 children)

    Is is maintain the status quo which is Israelis exterminating Palestinians

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  • [–] 57 points 5 days ago (5 children)

    Listen, this genocide has a lot of nuances and moving parts and history, which means maybe it's not a situation where you can just stick your neck in and say "Killing children is wrong".

    I mean, consider a corollary - the British extermination of the Irish. Yeah, it looked bad at the time. But a bunch of Irish people survived. And as a consequence, we have to put up with Ed Sheeran.

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  • [–] 53 points 5 days ago*

    "yes, I know that snipers shoot children in the head for fun, but have you considered the complex history of the region?"

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  • [–] 26 points 5 days ago

    Sounds pretty simple to me

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  • [–] 6 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    "genocide bad" is not complex at all, actually.

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  • [–] 29 points 5 days ago

    It's no less complicated than the US using 9/11 as an excuse to intensify it's militaristic nature into a 25 year reign of terror in the middle east.

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  • [–] 40 points 5 days ago* (8 children)

    It's not that complicated Ed. I got a pretty clear picture from an hour of research. Maybe if you get out of your algorithm for 20 minutes you might find something more tangible on the situation than a few chapters from a dusty religious text and the word of a bunch of rich assholes with vested interests in the region.

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  • [–] 31 points 5 days ago (7 children)

    A couple years ago it was complex. The complexity just stopped mattering once Israel turned the conflict into a war of annihilation.

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  • [–] 28 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

    My perception of this dude went from:

    Okay maybe he likes sticking his head in the sand cause of money.

    To:

    He fully knows what he is doing and is complicit.

    What a royal fuck up.

    Also, my own two cents.

    This never started as complex, and imo it’s not complex now. It is to Israel’s benefit for it to be seen as complex so they can do false equivalency.

    A bully would love for observers to believe that both sides are equally in the wrong.

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    [–] 11 points 4 days ago*

    Person A: You don't love me anymore?

    Person B: It is complicated.

    Person A: really!?

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  • [–] 8 points 4 days ago

    Also : He tried playing the victim for a bit.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 days ago*

    You see, mass murder for imperialistic interests is a very nuanced issue and requires multiple viewpoints. There’s definitely pros and cons to it, depending on which team you’re on.

    STFU and go back to making boring, gutless adult contemporary music for soccer moms.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 days ago

    By conceding that the reaction to October 7 was “disproportionate”, he seemed genuinely upset. Only he didn’t say how many dead kids he would consider proportionate.

    I viscerally hated that word when he said it but didn't know why until I read this article

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  • [–] 11 points 4 days ago (5 children)

    My first thought when he said that.

    Kids dying isn't complex bro. Like isn't he fuckin Irish?

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    [–] 4 points 4 days ago

    World War II was also the most geopolitically complex issue on the planet.

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  • [–] 23 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    What is so complex about one side genociding the other?

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    [–] 10 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    Its patently ridiculous how hard people twist themselves into knots to try to avoid saying anything remotely negative about Israels fucking genocide.

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    [–] 23 points 5 days ago

    Yes, any Middle East issue is complex and unrest has been ongoing for centuries, but at least mass displacement, killing children and other innocent people, destruction and blockading of humanitarian resources, and incursion into sovreign territory should be condemned, don't you think, Ed? And the words "Free Palestine" are not anti-Israel, no one seemed to have a big problem with any of Macklemore's words, until some billionaire ten days later phoned him up about it.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago

    The only thing making it complex is that Jews were the victims of a genocide too. Nothing more to it than humans not learning from history.

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