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[+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world -16 points 1 week ago* (17 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago* (9 children) Do you think the West invented all their solar panel tech? China is lightyears ahead. Talking about stealing knowledge while current top Western tech is knowledge theft running on a GPU is peak cope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] yuki_gassen@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago* The notion that China, or the US, or really anybody is committing theft by utilizing technological innovations, is what should be being discussed here. Individual innovations themselves were never made in a vacuum. Design, or information at large, is not something that can be privately owned. We have patents to give the right to seek super profits to the lucky individual that invents a new tech/process. An immensely lucky individual, who may or may not have actually done the labor to make the patent but is nonetheless the owner of the slip of paper, was born to live with enough resources, in the right places, and born before it was already invented, of course. The innovations that we enjoy today are a result of countless nameless people tinkering and improving, not just a few brilliantly outstanding inventors, who then somehow are a result of the success of a whole nation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (2 children) Do you think discovering the principle of something is the same as refining and mass producing it? In that case, plants beat France. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago The West discovered renewables and nuclear and then decided to keep burning coal and oil for the next 100 years like the absolute degenerates they are because they control the oil markets permalink fedilink source parent [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (3 children) Do you think the only thing China has done is make them cheap? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago* (1 child) In 2025 a Chinese company broke records with its innovations in perovskite-silicon tandem solar panels. The idea that Asians are only good at making things cheap is more Orientalism. Maybe try to not be so fucking racist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago* (5 children) Now you're just being racist. They're learning from other technology and then innovating it further, not just copying. And if you don't think the other countries you listed aren't doing the same thing, you aren't thinking about this seriously. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (3 children) The idea that Asians only steal and can't invent anything is a pretty old Orientalist trope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Okay, so you're merely saying that they steal, but pretending that no one else does. That's still Orientalism. There isn't a powerful country in the world that isn't engaged in industrial espionage. That's just how industry works. It doesn't make them scum. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] PapstJL4U@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago This is the way it was always done. The French paid English Gentlemen and nobility during industrialisation. Prussia had state sanctioned industry espionage. MR. Siemens himself went undercover as nobility to get information on machines. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago* (9 children) Do you think the West invented all their solar panel tech? China is lightyears ahead. Talking about stealing knowledge while current top Western tech is knowledge theft running on a GPU is peak cope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] yuki_gassen@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago* The notion that China, or the US, or really anybody is committing theft by utilizing technological innovations, is what should be being discussed here. Individual innovations themselves were never made in a vacuum. Design, or information at large, is not something that can be privately owned. We have patents to give the right to seek super profits to the lucky individual that invents a new tech/process. An immensely lucky individual, who may or may not have actually done the labor to make the patent but is nonetheless the owner of the slip of paper, was born to live with enough resources, in the right places, and born before it was already invented, of course. The innovations that we enjoy today are a result of countless nameless people tinkering and improving, not just a few brilliantly outstanding inventors, who then somehow are a result of the success of a whole nation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (2 children) Do you think discovering the principle of something is the same as refining and mass producing it? In that case, plants beat France. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago The West discovered renewables and nuclear and then decided to keep burning coal and oil for the next 100 years like the absolute degenerates they are because they control the oil markets permalink fedilink source parent [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (3 children) Do you think the only thing China has done is make them cheap? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago* (1 child) In 2025 a Chinese company broke records with its innovations in perovskite-silicon tandem solar panels. The idea that Asians are only good at making things cheap is more Orientalism. Maybe try to not be so fucking racist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] yuki_gassen@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago* The notion that China, or the US, or really anybody is committing theft by utilizing technological innovations, is what should be being discussed here. Individual innovations themselves were never made in a vacuum. Design, or information at large, is not something that can be privately owned. We have patents to give the right to seek super profits to the lucky individual that invents a new tech/process. An immensely lucky individual, who may or may not have actually done the labor to make the patent but is nonetheless the owner of the slip of paper, was born to live with enough resources, in the right places, and born before it was already invented, of course. The innovations that we enjoy today are a result of countless nameless people tinkering and improving, not just a few brilliantly outstanding inventors, who then somehow are a result of the success of a whole nation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (2 children) Do you think discovering the principle of something is the same as refining and mass producing it? In that case, plants beat France. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago The West discovered renewables and nuclear and then decided to keep burning coal and oil for the next 100 years like the absolute degenerates they are because they control the oil markets permalink fedilink source parent [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (3 children) Do you think the only thing China has done is make them cheap? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago* (1 child) In 2025 a Chinese company broke records with its innovations in perovskite-silicon tandem solar panels. The idea that Asians are only good at making things cheap is more Orientalism. Maybe try to not be so fucking racist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yuki_gassen@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago* The notion that China, or the US, or really anybody is committing theft by utilizing technological innovations, is what should be being discussed here. Individual innovations themselves were never made in a vacuum. Design, or information at large, is not something that can be privately owned. We have patents to give the right to seek super profits to the lucky individual that invents a new tech/process. An immensely lucky individual, who may or may not have actually done the labor to make the patent but is nonetheless the owner of the slip of paper, was born to live with enough resources, in the right places, and born before it was already invented, of course. The innovations that we enjoy today are a result of countless nameless people tinkering and improving, not just a few brilliantly outstanding inventors, who then somehow are a result of the success of a whole nation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (2 children) Do you think discovering the principle of something is the same as refining and mass producing it? In that case, plants beat France. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago The West discovered renewables and nuclear and then decided to keep burning coal and oil for the next 100 years like the absolute degenerates they are because they control the oil markets permalink fedilink source parent
[+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago The West discovered renewables and nuclear and then decided to keep burning coal and oil for the next 100 years like the absolute degenerates they are because they control the oil markets permalink fedilink source parent
[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago The West discovered renewables and nuclear and then decided to keep burning coal and oil for the next 100 years like the absolute degenerates they are because they control the oil markets permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (3 children) Do you think the only thing China has done is make them cheap? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago* (1 child) In 2025 a Chinese company broke records with its innovations in perovskite-silicon tandem solar panels. The idea that Asians are only good at making things cheap is more Orientalism. Maybe try to not be so fucking racist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago* (1 child) In 2025 a Chinese company broke records with its innovations in perovskite-silicon tandem solar panels. The idea that Asians are only good at making things cheap is more Orientalism. Maybe try to not be so fucking racist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago* (1 child) In 2025 a Chinese company broke records with its innovations in perovskite-silicon tandem solar panels. The idea that Asians are only good at making things cheap is more Orientalism. Maybe try to not be so fucking racist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago* (5 children) Now you're just being racist. They're learning from other technology and then innovating it further, not just copying. And if you don't think the other countries you listed aren't doing the same thing, you aren't thinking about this seriously. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (3 children) The idea that Asians only steal and can't invent anything is a pretty old Orientalist trope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Okay, so you're merely saying that they steal, but pretending that no one else does. That's still Orientalism. There isn't a powerful country in the world that isn't engaged in industrial espionage. That's just how industry works. It doesn't make them scum. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (3 children) The idea that Asians only steal and can't invent anything is a pretty old Orientalist trope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Okay, so you're merely saying that they steal, but pretending that no one else does. That's still Orientalism. There isn't a powerful country in the world that isn't engaged in industrial espionage. That's just how industry works. It doesn't make them scum. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (3 children) The idea that Asians only steal and can't invent anything is a pretty old Orientalist trope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Okay, so you're merely saying that they steal, but pretending that no one else does. That's still Orientalism. There isn't a powerful country in the world that isn't engaged in industrial espionage. That's just how industry works. It doesn't make them scum. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Okay, so you're merely saying that they steal, but pretending that no one else does. That's still Orientalism. There isn't a powerful country in the world that isn't engaged in industrial espionage. That's just how industry works. It doesn't make them scum. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Okay, so you're merely saying that they steal, but pretending that no one else does. That's still Orientalism. There isn't a powerful country in the world that isn't engaged in industrial espionage. That's just how industry works. It doesn't make them scum. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] PapstJL4U@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago This is the way it was always done. The French paid English Gentlemen and nobility during industrialisation. Prussia had state sanctioned industry espionage. MR. Siemens himself went undercover as nobility to get information on machines. permalink fedilink source parent