▲ 147 ▼ Returning from vacation? The government can search your phone without a warrant. (arstechnica.com) submitted 2 days ago by schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de to c/privacy@lemmy.world 50 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Mihies@programming.dev 8 points 2 days ago (13 children) Wasn't a guy persecuted for using kill switch just for that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children) Yep, specifically for entering providing the duress password for the ICEstapo agent to into his phone that had GrapheneOS on it to wipe it before handing it over to it was taken by the authorities. Which led to DHS/CBP prosecuting him for "evidence tampering". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (2 children) I'm pretty sure the LEO entered the password, he just provided it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago (1 child) I mean they didn't specify which PIN they wanted, just that he hand over the PIN for his phone and that he could not speak to anyone (lawyer, someone that knows his rights, etc). I don't know your definition of duress, but that situation fits mine and I would have given them the same PIN. The border bitches asked a poorly worded question, made assumptions about the answer, and proceeded to wipe his phone and blame him for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago I 100% agree and I didn't even think about the vagueness of their question given the possible responses. I was just clarifying that the Leo's entered the password, not him. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 13igtyme@startrek.website 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) I'd still rather wipe my phone than openly give it to authorities. Guy should have had a better lawyer. Being arrested for evidence tampering when there is no crime is practically the same as being arrested with the only charge being resisting arrest. Good lawyer gets that case thrown out. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago He's going to be prosecuted, whether he's found guilty and what he's found guilty of is still TBD permalink fedilink source parent [–] frongt@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 day ago (6 children) No. They already had him and the device, and he gave them the wipe pin when they asked him for the unlock pin. That's destruction of evidence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 day ago* (1 child) Destruction of what evidence? They didn't have the phone unlocked. How do they even know anything was destroyed? They've got nothing and it's going be dismissed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frongt@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 day ago Sure, you try that in court. See how it goes for you. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frongt@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 day ago (1 child) I doubt any court would agree with you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 point 1 day ago I looked it up and they cover the definition pretty well, that's why i deleted the comment. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2232 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children) Yep, specifically for entering providing the duress password for the ICEstapo agent to into his phone that had GrapheneOS on it to wipe it before handing it over to it was taken by the authorities. Which led to DHS/CBP prosecuting him for "evidence tampering". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (2 children) I'm pretty sure the LEO entered the password, he just provided it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago (1 child) I mean they didn't specify which PIN they wanted, just that he hand over the PIN for his phone and that he could not speak to anyone (lawyer, someone that knows his rights, etc). I don't know your definition of duress, but that situation fits mine and I would have given them the same PIN. The border bitches asked a poorly worded question, made assumptions about the answer, and proceeded to wipe his phone and blame him for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago I 100% agree and I didn't even think about the vagueness of their question given the possible responses. I was just clarifying that the Leo's entered the password, not him. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 13igtyme@startrek.website 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) I'd still rather wipe my phone than openly give it to authorities. Guy should have had a better lawyer. Being arrested for evidence tampering when there is no crime is practically the same as being arrested with the only charge being resisting arrest. Good lawyer gets that case thrown out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (2 children) I'm pretty sure the LEO entered the password, he just provided it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago (1 child) I mean they didn't specify which PIN they wanted, just that he hand over the PIN for his phone and that he could not speak to anyone (lawyer, someone that knows his rights, etc). I don't know your definition of duress, but that situation fits mine and I would have given them the same PIN. The border bitches asked a poorly worded question, made assumptions about the answer, and proceeded to wipe his phone and blame him for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago I 100% agree and I didn't even think about the vagueness of their question given the possible responses. I was just clarifying that the Leo's entered the password, not him. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago (1 child) I mean they didn't specify which PIN they wanted, just that he hand over the PIN for his phone and that he could not speak to anyone (lawyer, someone that knows his rights, etc). I don't know your definition of duress, but that situation fits mine and I would have given them the same PIN. The border bitches asked a poorly worded question, made assumptions about the answer, and proceeded to wipe his phone and blame him for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago I 100% agree and I didn't even think about the vagueness of their question given the possible responses. I was just clarifying that the Leo's entered the password, not him. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago I 100% agree and I didn't even think about the vagueness of their question given the possible responses. I was just clarifying that the Leo's entered the password, not him. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 13igtyme@startrek.website 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) I'd still rather wipe my phone than openly give it to authorities. Guy should have had a better lawyer. Being arrested for evidence tampering when there is no crime is practically the same as being arrested with the only charge being resisting arrest. Good lawyer gets that case thrown out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago He's going to be prosecuted, whether he's found guilty and what he's found guilty of is still TBD permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frongt@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 day ago (6 children) No. They already had him and the device, and he gave them the wipe pin when they asked him for the unlock pin. That's destruction of evidence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 day ago* (1 child) Destruction of what evidence? They didn't have the phone unlocked. How do they even know anything was destroyed? They've got nothing and it's going be dismissed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frongt@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 day ago Sure, you try that in court. See how it goes for you. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frongt@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 day ago (1 child) I doubt any court would agree with you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 point 1 day ago I looked it up and they cover the definition pretty well, that's why i deleted the comment. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2232 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 day ago* (1 child) Destruction of what evidence? They didn't have the phone unlocked. How do they even know anything was destroyed? They've got nothing and it's going be dismissed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frongt@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 day ago Sure, you try that in court. See how it goes for you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frongt@lemmy.zip -2 points 1 day ago Sure, you try that in court. See how it goes for you. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frongt@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 day ago (1 child) I doubt any court would agree with you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 point 1 day ago I looked it up and they cover the definition pretty well, that's why i deleted the comment. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2232 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frongt@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 day ago (1 child) I doubt any court would agree with you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 point 1 day ago I looked it up and they cover the definition pretty well, that's why i deleted the comment. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2232 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 1 point 1 day ago I looked it up and they cover the definition pretty well, that's why i deleted the comment. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2232 permalink fedilink source parent