Liberals will lie to you and tell you to "just vote in the primary," but in reality they simply don't care about trans rights and do not believe there is ever a right time to challenge transphobic Democrats.

First primary: the transphobes hide their colors so you can't vote against them.

First general election: the snakes reveal their colors, but you can't vote against the traitors because "blue no matter who." They tell you to just vote in the next primary.

Second primary: the same people who tell you now "save it for the primary" shift their tune to "we can't give up an incumbent seat in a purple district!"

Trans people can see through these bad-faith lies. Yet of course, mansplaining trolls will be sure to breathlessly explain "lesser of two evil" math, as if that's not an argument we haven't heard a thousand times and already rejected due to its obvious flaws. There's never a shortage of arrogant cis people who think they know more about trans issues than actual trans people.

Liberals want your votes, not your voices. Be a good little minority and sit down. Shut up. Support the party. You owe the party your support. The party owes you nothing.

EDIT: A few thoughts to address the comment in the thread here:

  1. You need to get past your team sports approach to politics. I am not advocating voting against Democrats in general. I'm advocating for not voting for the 1% of Democratic candidates that have chosen to become fascist collaborators and adopt Republican positions on trans rights. To trans people, the Democratic party going TERF is a greater danger than the Republican party winning a slim majority in the Senate. The nightmare scenario here is what happened with Labor. Labor has completely fallen to Nazi collaborators. The UK has regressed in trans rights to now be the most transphobic country in Western Europe, and that happened under the rule of a center-left government. The trans people of the UK would have been better off with another term of conservatives than the transphobic labor leaders they elected instead. We don't need to elect more Fettermans who will turn around and vote against the party the first chance they get. So many people in this thread believe, "you have to vote for the Nazi collaborators, otherwise the Nazis will win!"

  2. On saving democracy: you are vastly underestimating how difficult that task is. You seem to imagine you can just write a bill that just says, "democracy saved," and call it a day. Actually saving democracy is going to require stripping powers from the presidency and dismantling the post-9/11 security state. That requires Democratic leaders of moral strength and conviction. It will take leaders willing to look their constituents in the eye and tell them, "I am going to vote for this bill to dismantle ICE. Yes, that means that occasionally an illegal immigrant is going to murder someone. I'm going to vote for this bill to dismantle the NSA's illegal programs. Yes, that means we may have more terrorist attacks than we would otherwise. It's worth it to save our Republic." Saving democracy requires leaders who are literally willing to vote to kill their fellow Americans. Every power you strip away results in a few more people dying. It's inevitable. And these transphobe Democrats are fundamentally cowards with no inner moral center. They'll follow any poll or vote for any policy they think will get them power. This kind of person is not capable of saving democracy. You can't defeat Nazism by voting in Nazi collaborators, and it's insane to pretend you can.

  3. Those arguing that trans rights are a minor or insignificant issue? Frankly, if you believe this, you deserve to have your right to vote taken away. If you're not willing to protect the vulnerable among your community, you deserve whatever evil befalls you. Karma's a bitch in that way. We can all go to Hell together if that's the path you choose.

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[–] 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (28 children)

You know what. You're right. Vote red. Pick a Republican. That will teach the Democrats to notice trans people. Or don't vote, that will surely help.

At the risk of sounding extremely dismissive, because it is, the world is literally on fire and you might not get to win your issue of choice in the next 5 or even 10 elections. Of course every person regardless of majority of minority status deserves to have their basic rights met and to be treated with a modicum of decency and acceptance. Of course. When it comes to elections though, R will come together for any one of no abortion, more guns, less taxes, go church!

The far left doesn't win in the US, and won't win, because, son of a bitch, there is not enough fundamental support for Mediterranean furry vegans with one eye who use glow in the dark blowy wheelchairs. And wouldnt you know it, all 900 trans people on Lemmy and their vegan allies cannot storm the palace by themselves no matter how hard you rage post.

Yes it sucks. Conservatives are a bloc. The left is not, and each of the 347 extreme minorities can't play nice together unless their issue is at the forefront which makes a fundamentally impossible purity test for every candidate. Fuck people who are transphobic and good on people who are good allies, but there just isn't a competitive counter block because the left isn't full of group-thinking neanderthals.

I understand that you are mad, but you can't win shit with 10 people. So do you want the lesser evil or would you rather deal with the obviously worse door number two?

Your last paragraph is functionally right. You can make your own choice and it sucks no matter what you do. Nobody is winning here. That's how it is. Fuck.

The right is full of brainwashable morons and the left is all full of vibrant and unique non-teaming, purity testing assholes with stupid long Linux socks.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    I understand that you are mad, but you can’t win shit with 10 people. So do you want the lesser evil or would you rather deal with the obviously worse door number two?

    If our numbers are small enough for our issues to not matter, then stop vote-scolding us for how we chose to vote. With one breath you say our numbers are too small to make our issues a purity test for the party. With the next you say it's our duty to support the party.

    Liberals tell minorities our issues are too minor to worry about and then blame us when we take them at their word and say, "well, I guess you don't need our votes anyway."

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago

    The vote-scolding is almost never towards trans people, it's towards people who say the dems aren't doing enough and don't vote, and let literal fascism win instead. The message is towards the people who aren't viscerally affected who still didn't vote or voted 3rd party, and their vote DID matter in this super close election to prevent literal fascism.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    I'm not talking about you at all when it comes to voting. I have said vote how you want. You need my vote and that's the whole point of this post isnt it? Let's all hold Dems accountable? By all means let's do hold Dems to account, but I intend to see it happen at every primary all the way down the ballot, grass roots style not by spitting on the least worst option. Hell, you can run yourself!

    But when push comes to shove, I know hundreds of people who get fucked by the country headed right and I know 4 trans people who get hurt either way and it sucks. Considering that picture, vote for fucking Yoda who gives a shit? The fate of the world is not hinging on the angry trans vote, but it might hinge on people who would like to buy 10 years to install some candidates that don't suck.

    I'm in for "whatever is the best possible thing we can get right now", but if you threaten to take your ball and go home where your dad beats you, then ok, cool power move.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    You don't speak for trans people. You speak for you (and for republicans it sure seems like). Stay in your lane. I'm also trans and everyone, including trans people, that don't work to keep republicans out of power next month are not allies and may as well be MAGA. Right now you're putting yourself on that list.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

    I speak for most of the trans people and allies I know in real life. The general consensus is that it's perfectly fine to not vote for transphobic democrats. The point is not to vote against Democrats in general, but just the tiny minority that reject trans rights. Nuance matters, which the troll is this comment thread can't seem to understand.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    If that's what you wanna tell yourself but the truth is a protest vote is a vote for the winner.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 week ago (18 children)

    You are an awful person and I hope you experience half of the pain we do, you bootlicking piece of human trash.

    There is a trans genocide happening in the US, telling us to suck it up while we die, while we are killed is so fucking awful.

    It's really amazing how you expect absolutely nothing from the democratic party, how you paint basic support for the rights of trans people as "far left" and how you then expect us to still support you.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago (16 children)

    You don't have to support anybody. Do what you want.

    Trump and the right are burning everything down right here, right now, not just you. Im not picking them or not voting to teach dems a lesson. Let's be really clear: I hate what is happening to trans people, and people of color, and gay people, and Muslims, and Jews who are not aligned with the state of Israel. Not a single one of those hills is one I would die on if it meant more trump.

    So call me what you want, sir/madam/xer, but weighing any group against wholesale collapse, I'm choosing the lesser evil. I will campaign and vote in the primaries to go as far left as we can get, but I'm not forsaking the only non far right party for any single group that is smaller than literally everyone. The math doesn't make any sense.

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  • [+] [S] -8 points 1 week ago (9 children)

    Nah. I choose collapse. We can all go to Hell together if you're willing to throw us under the bus.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Throw trans people under the bus (reality: support trans people but not enough) or literal fascism are your 2 choices. Since option #1 is never acceptable ever we will just go with fascism forever always as they do state-sponsored anti trans propaganda I suppose. Enjoy being sent to camps under fascism and not receiving gender affirming care instead of not being able to play in sports for the same gender. Both sides ig. Most mainstream democrats have stated explicit support for trans people, it's just not enough apparently.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (4 children)

    Your option kills all the trans people. Congratulations.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    You're the one telling people to vote for Nazi collaborators.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    And you're telling people how to get the nazis elected.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    There is no difference between a Nazi and a Nazi collaborator.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago

    Yeah but you're treating the Dems as a monolith which is stupid and helps the nazis. You're the one doing the collaborating here. It's disingenuous and you know it because you've got like two whole comments where you pretend to make the distinction between socialist Dems and maga-lite Dems but really you're just trying to get people not to vote.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    sir/madam/xer

    and that fucking "stupid socks" comment clearly show you have no fucking idea whats going on and there is no reason for me to engage with you.

    They could put us in camps and you'd be like "welp, at least the inflation is under control! Thank you DNC!"

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Good. Don't. You can't seem to do it maturely anyway.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Actually, the only way to engage maturely is when you disregard several genocides to epically own drumpf.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago

    How much of Gaza, pray tell, did the people heroically save by not voting for a genocidal Democrat in 2024?

    If someone is going to poke you in the eye, your best bet is obviously to let them break your fingers too.

    Definitely stay home and put your balls/nipples in a mousetrap in november, that will save everyone.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago

    There is a trans genocide happening in the US, telling us to suck it up while we die, while we are killed is so fucking awful.

    Clearly we should let the republicans take power, that will definitely help out the trans people suffering, right? Because that's your only other outcome. But if you're cool with that, by all means, send that message straight into your own foot.

    You are an awful person and I hope you experience half of the pain we do, you bootlicking piece of human trash.

    Says the person implicitly pushing for an outcome that by definition makes the problem worse.

    I fear for my trans partners and friends because of short-sighted people like you who are so focused on the cut the Democrats give you that you're willing to sever an artery to show them how much you hate them.

    I wish the best for you, even while you advocate for more pain for yourself and those like you.

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