Liberals will lie to you and tell you to "just vote in the primary," but in reality they simply don't care about trans rights and do not believe there is ever a right time to challenge transphobic Democrats.

First primary: the transphobes hide their colors so you can't vote against them.

First general election: the snakes reveal their colors, but you can't vote against the traitors because "blue no matter who." They tell you to just vote in the next primary.

Second primary: the same people who tell you now "save it for the primary" shift their tune to "we can't give up an incumbent seat in a purple district!"

Trans people can see through these bad-faith lies. Yet of course, mansplaining trolls will be sure to breathlessly explain "lesser of two evil" math, as if that's not an argument we haven't heard a thousand times and already rejected due to its obvious flaws. There's never a shortage of arrogant cis people who think they know more about trans issues than actual trans people.

Liberals want your votes, not your voices. Be a good little minority and sit down. Shut up. Support the party. You owe the party your support. The party owes you nothing.

EDIT: A few thoughts to address the comment in the thread here:

  1. You need to get past your team sports approach to politics. I am not advocating voting against Democrats in general. I'm advocating for not voting for the 1% of Democratic candidates that have chosen to become fascist collaborators and adopt Republican positions on trans rights. To trans people, the Democratic party going TERF is a greater danger than the Republican party winning a slim majority in the Senate. The nightmare scenario here is what happened with Labor. Labor has completely fallen to Nazi collaborators. The UK has regressed in trans rights to now be the most transphobic country in Western Europe, and that happened under the rule of a center-left government. The trans people of the UK would have been better off with another term of conservatives than the transphobic labor leaders they elected instead. We don't need to elect more Fettermans who will turn around and vote against the party the first chance they get. So many people in this thread believe, "you have to vote for the Nazi collaborators, otherwise the Nazis will win!"

  2. On saving democracy: you are vastly underestimating how difficult that task is. You seem to imagine you can just write a bill that just says, "democracy saved," and call it a day. Actually saving democracy is going to require stripping powers from the presidency and dismantling the post-9/11 security state. That requires Democratic leaders of moral strength and conviction. It will take leaders willing to look their constituents in the eye and tell them, "I am going to vote for this bill to dismantle ICE. Yes, that means that occasionally an illegal immigrant is going to murder someone. I'm going to vote for this bill to dismantle the NSA's illegal programs. Yes, that means we may have more terrorist attacks than we would otherwise. It's worth it to save our Republic." Saving democracy requires leaders who are literally willing to vote to kill their fellow Americans. Every power you strip away results in a few more people dying. It's inevitable. And these transphobe Democrats are fundamentally cowards with no inner moral center. They'll follow any poll or vote for any policy they think will get them power. This kind of person is not capable of saving democracy. You can't defeat Nazism by voting in Nazi collaborators, and it's insane to pretend you can.

  3. Those arguing that trans rights are a minor or insignificant issue? Frankly, if you believe this, you deserve to have your right to vote taken away. If you're not willing to protect the vulnerable among your community, you deserve whatever evil befalls you. Karma's a bitch in that way. We can all go to Hell together if that's the path you choose.

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[–] 101 points 1 week ago* (56 children)

My take has been: Vote for what's right in the primaries. Vote for what's practical in the general. Rinse & repeat. It's either that, or give us some sort of ranking option so we can do some semblance of risk mitigation between the two corporate parties.

I voted for candidates in the primary. And for the most part, I'll sadly be voting against the more-bad candidates in the general to ensure the greatest likelihood of defeat for the more-bad candidates that I can accomplish with my one little vote.

Edit to add: the timing of the article smells weird to me, as if to suppress Democratic turnout in November.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 week ago* (37 children)

    Suppressing turnout is always the point. Telling you the gov't can't fix things and that you should check the fuck out is the point. The status quo is what they want*, its the game they have rigged and control. If voting didnt matter they wouldnt put so much effort in keeping people from doing it or convincing you to stay home.

    The dems are 99% ass, but the GOP would imprison trans people as groomers for taking a dump in the girls room. Its not even close and I'm tired of people's suggesting staying at home will get them better choices next time.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    That doesn’t really work unless the candidate is honest in the primary. So you vote for someone thinking they’re one way and they double cross you.

    Yes this is also about Fetterman

    Bottom line: Everything sucks and will forever. Because people suck and always will.

    Vote out of spite.

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    [–] 44 points 1 week ago (13 children)

    At this point, I’m still with the vote blue crowd. We’re in serious damage control and voting for our lives. When the option is this vs. Nazi authoritarianism. You vote for this!

    In other words, If the chemo sucks, we’ll deal with it to survive the cancer. Because then we can live and fight another day. Give in and opt-out, and you’ve no place to complain that the cancer is killing you.

    Vote like lives depend on it- because they do. We can fix this kind of stupid, we CANNOT fix MAGA stupid.

    VOTE.

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    [–] 35 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    This piece is yet another attempt to break up the Left, which is exactly how the Right keeps winning. Which is much worse, fyi. Kinda obviously at this point.

    You'll never have perfection. Ever. Not ever. Literally never. We never have. We never will. Get over it and look at the bigger picture. Trans people are far worse off under Republican leadership than Democrat.

    Their power is unity. Copy it and start winning, or keep this bullshit up and keep losing. Which btw is absolutely worse for trans people. And everyone except the rich...

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    [–] 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (28 children)

    You know what. You're right. Vote red. Pick a Republican. That will teach the Democrats to notice trans people. Or don't vote, that will surely help.

    At the risk of sounding extremely dismissive, because it is, the world is literally on fire and you might not get to win your issue of choice in the next 5 or even 10 elections. Of course every person regardless of majority of minority status deserves to have their basic rights met and to be treated with a modicum of decency and acceptance. Of course. When it comes to elections though, R will come together for any one of no abortion, more guns, less taxes, go church!

    The far left doesn't win in the US, and won't win, because, son of a bitch, there is not enough fundamental support for Mediterranean furry vegans with one eye who use glow in the dark blowy wheelchairs. And wouldnt you know it, all 900 trans people on Lemmy and their vegan allies cannot storm the palace by themselves no matter how hard you rage post.

    Yes it sucks. Conservatives are a bloc. The left is not, and each of the 347 extreme minorities can't play nice together unless their issue is at the forefront which makes a fundamentally impossible purity test for every candidate. Fuck people who are transphobic and good on people who are good allies, but there just isn't a competitive counter block because the left isn't full of group-thinking neanderthals.

    I understand that you are mad, but you can't win shit with 10 people. So do you want the lesser evil or would you rather deal with the obviously worse door number two?

    Your last paragraph is functionally right. You can make your own choice and it sucks no matter what you do. Nobody is winning here. That's how it is. Fuck.

    The right is full of brainwashable morons and the left is all full of vibrant and unique non-teaming, purity testing assholes with stupid long Linux socks.

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    [–] 25 points 1 week ago (12 children)

    With FPTP, a candidate from one of the two major parties will win. You're voting against the greater evil. Primaries are where you vote your conscience and hopefully get the candidate you want on the ballot.

    Thats how it works in practical terms. When you protest vote against the lesser of two evils, you are throwing support to the greater evil.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago* (7 children)

    As I keep pointing out, the problem with this argument is that it presumes that the United States is a law of nature, eternal and unshakable, simply the backdrop for our political battles. It is not. That much should be obvious with how much the fascists have managed to dismantle in such a short time.

    Yes, FPTP means that a candidate from one of the two major parties will win. But also, every time a candidate from one of the two major parties wins, we get closer to authoritarianism (slowly with Team Blue, directly with Team Red), and the destruction of the United States. Both things can be true. There's not always a solution to our problems, or a correct course of action.

    We have to do something other than FPTP with the two, current major parties. Well, no, actually, we don't have to. It's only if we want to save the United States (and protect vulnerable minorities) that we do.

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    [–] 21 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    “I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage” - Barack Obama, 2008

    The same Barack Obama that helped achieve the following during his time as President of the United States:

    Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act adding perceived gender, sexual orientation, gender identity and disability to the existing hate crime law.

    Lifted the ban on travel to the United States by those infected with HIV

    Signed into law the Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal Act of 2010

    Under his presidency, the Pentagon ended the policy that barred transgender people from serving openly in the military.

    I was certainly disappointed when I heard him say what he said, but I also could read between the lines. I was disappointed it took him so long to finally become a vocal advocate of marriage equality (thank you Joe Biden for opening your big mouth, I mean this sincerely), but I none-the-less voted for him and in the end I am so glad he was in that office instead of McCain or Romney.

    Can we please not fall for the bait. Look at not only their actions but also the situation they are in. Yes, Bill Clinton signed DOMA into law, but it also passed with veto-proof majorities, making a vote against it only performative. Yes, Clinton instituted Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, but this was a time when homophobia was absolutely ingrained throughout the US. My own parents said some pretty horrible things about queer people, and now they are (mostly) accepting of the multiple queer people we have in our family.

    If you’re going to be upset at anyone, be upset at your family, friends and neighbors not doing shit (even I could be doing more). Supporting trans rights arguably is less risk to us than someone vying for political office who could end up extending protections for trans people. It took a wave of challenging conversations within families as well as increased positive visibility in the media (and arguably the passing on of a generation) to get to a situation where politicians could openly support any kind of queer family without facing immense backlash.

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    [–] 20 points 1 week ago

    Gotta love the schordinger leftist, simultaneously responsible for the Dems loosing and not significant enough for Dems to pander to.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

    Just what the world needs. Attacks on the left wing to help justify Republicans again...

    It's bullshit posts like this which is why Trump won the last election.

    Left wingers made such a huge deal about a single issue, that they didn't vote, and allowed a convicted sex offender to win, who has LITERALLY now personally authorised direct war crimes

    There's a billion fucking reasons to vote for Dems regardless. I'm in Australia, but visited America recently, and I realised, many American's don't even realise half of the shit thats happening caused by Trump in and outside their country.

    Trump is attacking Trans people on a daily basis, whereas, democrats aren't. There is a huge difference, even for trans people. The idea that every single person in the party, needs to support EVERY single request by select communities to approve of them is crazy.

    Its one reason also why compulsory voting (and preferential voting) works so well here in Australia. Because it forces people to pick the BEST candidate and it also allows them to pick the one they want (because, your preferences get prioritised)

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    OP didn't even read the article they posted before providing commentary as if they did...

    What's the point of including an article if you didn't even read it???

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    [–] 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Perfection is unachievable, but go ahead and either don't vote, vote independent or even vote for the open hatred party. It's your foot your shooting.

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    [–] 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    But don't you get it , if the Republicans win it will get worse faster. If you elect Democrat the camps they eventually agree too send you to will be so much nicer and dignified.

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    [–] 10 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    Such a small minority (1% of 1%) stokes such overwhelming fear.

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    [–] 10 points 1 week ago

    You don't owe them shit and are free to abandon them, though given the situation in the USA right now, it will be at your peril.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    That's what got the Republicans put in place. There are some political stances that need to be put on the shelf in order to save the country or at least get it to a gliding crash.

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    [–] 9 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    2024: "If you accept that the Democrats are fucking over Palestinians and vote for them anyway, then are you going to follow the same logic when they fuck over trans people?"

    2026: "If you accept that the Democrats are fucking over trans people and vote for them anyway, then are you going to follow the same logic when they fuck over gay people?"

    2028: "If you accept that the Democrats are fucking over gay people and vote for them anyway, then are you going to follow the same logic when they fuck over PoC?"

    2030...

    This is exactly why you take a stand and nip that shit in the bud. "We will hang together, or we will all hang separately." The moderate fascists want to chip us away, piece-by-piece, dividing and conquering so that our defeat is inevitable.

    We have to draw a fucking line and hold that line, come hell or high water. Why would I stand behind someone who will sell me down the river at the drop of a hat, the moment it's politically expedient?

    Some people will just never understand this. But they can at least understand that it is what we believe, and that we will not abandon and sell out our comrades simply in the "lesser evil." Whether we face a greater or lesser evil, we must face it united, or all hope is lost. Solidarity is non-negotiable.

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    [–] 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    A CNN poll indicates that voters viewed trans issues as less important than 10 other topics at issue in the upcoming elections, including the economy, election integrity, voting rights, inflation and healthcare.

    I mean... what else is there to say?

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    [–] 7 points 1 week ago* (22 children)

    Trans people are learning why many of us despise the Democratic party.

    They've betrayed you, eh? First time?

    If anything, it looks like you made it, you're now just like everybody else in the "big tent"

    Remember what Democrats did to labor? Look at it. LOOK AT LABOR NOW

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (21 children)

    because the gop was going to ever help labor trans folks or gaza?

    look, you can change the dems. stop fucking around with centerists and push bernie and aoc types. you will never be able to afford to outspend big money and influence the gop.

    oh, I get it, you could vote for jill stein, which is basically voting for trump again?

    worked great for gaza

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    At least Republicans admit they're evil

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    [–] 7 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    I will never be a single issue voter. There will never be a perfect candidate. I may disagree with a candidate on 3 of 10 things. And that’s oka, it’s better than if I disagree 7 out of 10 things on.

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    [–] 7 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Letting the Republicans win to...

    Checks notes

    • Protect trans rights
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