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EV Charging Doesn't Need to Be as Fast as Gas, Ionna CEO Says (www.thedrive.com)
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[–] 79 points 5 days ago (24 children)

ITT: Lots of people dont realize how infrequently you actually stop at a charger if you have charging at home or work.

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  • [–] 23 points 5 days ago*

    Since they installed chargers at my workplace roughly one year ago, I have stopped exactly 3 times to charge in a public charger:

    First was when we had an issue with chargers the day before I was going on a 2 weeks holiday out of town.

    Second was when I arrived to my holiday destination.

    Third was the day we were going back home from the holiday destination after two weeks.

    That's about it in a whole year.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 days ago (13 children)

    Okay, now what about the people who don't live in SFHs? I could charge at home most nights if I had an EV, but a lot of people literally can't install chargers.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 days ago

    It's so easy to install communal chargers, that no house has an excuse to not do it. It just needs to be normalised.
    Here where I live, I don't think there is a house with no ev charger at a parking space.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 days ago (11 children)

    Of course your daily mileage comes into play... but

    You don’t have to install a charger, if you can charge your laptop/phone at home you can charge your car at home.

    It’s just an extension cord.

    Of course this requires you to run the cord outside if you don’t have a garage but it’s not like you have to bury it or anything. Because again it’s just an extension cord.

    And even if you want “fast” charging at home you aren’t really “installing” a charger you are just getting a 220v outlet installed in the US. If you have a central A/C unit or electric dryer as an example you already have this installed in your house you are just adding an additional outlet for ease of access.

    The “real” fast chargers that are installed for public use are not being installed in your home because those are 480v or even 800v. Which is considered industrial use, as far as I am aware you can’t get that power connection in your garage because the infrastructure isn’t there.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 days ago (5 children)

    I'll let my friends living in apartments know they can run an extension cord from the 5th floor then lol, I'm sure there's nothing unsafe about that.

    Daily mileage isn't the only factor either. I'm not sure why I would pay 30k for a used EV if it costs almost the same to charge per 100km as a diesel car worth under 2k takes to refuel per 100 km but takes much more time to do so. EVs start making more sense for people in apartments when public fast charging is nearly free, like charging at home is.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    Hey everyone with an electric car did you know you are wrong because if i follow this correctly.

    1 .You can buy a 20 year old car for $2000. 2. This person knows someone who lives on the 5th floor.

    Yeah it’s called individual choice. It’s not for everyone in every situation. Just like diesel versus gasoline or natural gas or walking or riding a bike or taking a bus.

    But the point I made still stands you don’t “have” to install anything.

    And yes I have seen people running cords out of windows from apartments. Is it the best option. No. Would I do it also no.

    But there are options available.

    Make the choice that works best for your situation.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    If we're going to ban fossil fuels 100%, we need EVs to work for everyone. If we don't ban fossil fuels altogether, people can continue driving old cars which is bad. I know I will.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago

    If we're going to ban fossil fuels 100%, we need EVs to work for everyone.

    Why? We've made THOUSANDS of changes to society over the last century that did not work for everyone, but where a lot of them benefitted the (vast) majority. We should continue having that as the aim. The idea that a solution (for ANY problem) exists that works for literally 100% of the population is silly.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago

    It doesn't have to be a binary choice. We could have regulations that require EV charging stations on new construction, from street lamp poles, etc, and still let people fill up their gas car.

    The government should probably do something to combat the proliferation of huge pickup trucks, but idk what that would look like.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    You live somewhere that allows randoms to lay trip hazards across the pavement?

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  • [–] -1 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    Allowed? No. Do people do things that they aren’t allowed to do even when they aren’t the best option. Yes all the time.

    I would be willing to bet wherever you live there are things that aren’t allowed happening all the time. In fact you, just like everyone else probably participate in some of those activities regularly.

    For example, since this conversation is about cars. You have never once driven over the speed limit (depending on where you are under the speed limit) or drove somewhere without a seat belt or used your cell phone with your hands while driving. How about using your turn signal to change lanes 100% of the time.

    The world is full of rules not being followed.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    Anyone doing those things should have their car crushed.

    Turning walkways into a hazard course is not an acceptable approach.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago

    With the layout of the road outside the house here there's no pavement on our side and with the car right next to the gate there's no cable across anywhere someone could walk unless they go through the gate. We're usually charging from the main charger on the drive though, it's only when we have multiple cars to charge that the extra cable comes out.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago

    Yup. I’ve had an EV for 6 years (in Texas of all places) and have only used a public charger a handful of times, and mostly because of the novelty to see what DC charging is like. I’ve only needed it one time on a long distance trip. So 6 years, 1 DC fast charge.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago (1 child)

    Most EV owners do not realize that most car drivers live in apartment buildings and have no chance to charge their car at home.

    I live in a building that was built in 2023 and has no underground charging stations. In fact no stations around the building either. In Germany. Berlin. Yep

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago*

    Most people in western countries (Europe+US) live in houses.

    I suspect, without digging up evidence, that people living in houses are more likely to be car drivers than people living in apartments (who are more likely to have access to mass transit), so the data skews even further towards houses.

    Also, without digging up more numbers, I suspect many of the apartment-bound-car-drivers have consistent workplace parking that could be (but likely isn't yet) converted to support workplace charging.

    I recognize that information doesn't help your current situation at all, but it is not in fact the majority experience.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 days ago* (4 children)

    Most trips don't eat 100%, if your commute eats 10-40% of your battery 5% an hour on 110v at home is just fine.

    Probably a lot better for the batteries too.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago

    I do 120v / 12A charging at home and an overnight charge exceeds my daily commute. But, yes, a 240v / 25A charger is much faster and an overnight charge in them can cover a daily commute I would find punishingly long.

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