cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/72557390

The agreement to release oil stocks comes amid growing concerns in Brussels about entering winter with low strategic reserves, and becoming more susceptible to what several EU officials described as US “blackmail”.

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[–] 1 point 4 days ago (6 children)

Not OP, but how much ground do you need for one?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago (5 children)

    If you've got tons of space and want to save money, you can have a horizontal system, you'd ideally want about 1.5 meters of pipe length for every square meter you're heating, according to the companies selling heat pumps. The pipe should be a meter deep and I think it should be a meter from any other section of pipe. Think of the good ol' mobile game Snake.

    If you've got tons of money or just don't have the space, you can do a vertical system. It's even more efficient, but you'd want roughly the same amount of meters, in the form of deep holes in the ground - for a bigger house, it's OK to use multiple, just keep a bit of distance between them (6 meters is supposedly OK).

    When the air goes cold and it's hard to cool down the outside air to heat up the inside of your home, the ground stays warm so the efficiency drops much less. With the vertical system in particular, there's no measurable drop, since a lot of your refrigerant is running so deep underground, it'd take an ice age to cool down the dirt down there.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago (4 children)

    Interesting. Sounds expensive.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago (3 children)

    It is, but it's the only way to get viable heating without fossil fuels in a climate with winters. I have a friend with a ground source heat pump and one with an air to water heatpump and the former has a bigger house and significantly smaller electric bill when the real cold hits (January, February). Think it was 100-150 EUR vs 400-500 EUR + also needed to keep burning firewood every day when it got proper cold. Both use floor heating.

    All in, you can count on it costing about 15-40k depending on everything. Air to water heat pump is more like 10-15k all in, but when you're burning 10 kilowatts on resistive heating and your place is still not as warm as you'd like, you'll know exactly why.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago (2 children)

    How warm are we talking with the air? If it's like -10c outside, how warm inside?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (1 child)

    With -10C you might keep it as warm as 20-22C inside, usually with -20C and lower and an air source heat pump, you're probably going to keep it a bit colder to save on electricity.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago

    How cold would it need to be to use normal levels of electricity at - 20c? My winters aren't that extreme, and I already have a pellet stove. Wondering if I would be a candidate for air source when my oil burner kicks the bucket.

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