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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 18 points 1 week ago (35 children) China would like to disagree. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 35 child comments replies: [+] bloviate@lemmus.org -14 points 1 week ago (34 children) Western culture won't work like that. Germany is about as far as we go, and that's still capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 34 child comments replies: [–] lenabee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 week ago (33 children) Doesn't =/= Wouldn't permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 33 child comments replies: [+] bloviate@lemmus.org -8 points 1 week ago (32 children) This has never been reduced to practice. Completely theoretical. You need to find people where they are, not where they should be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 32 child comments replies: [–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago (31 children) This has never been reduced to practice. Completely theoretical. You need to find people where they are, not where they should be Because the bourgeoisie impede any attempt. And you're wrong as GDR is proof it did work. Nazi Germany is capitalism's response to Communism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 31 child comments replies: [+] bloviate@lemmus.org -6 points 1 week ago (30 children) I know several former East Germans. None of them was happy. They all agree that things are better now. You don't have a good example. To the extent that the bourgeoisie are able to vote, buy political ads, hire private police, use private schools which reinforce their preferences, etc this will never fly. Again you need to find a third way that is popular. My solution is regulation, but I would happily jump on a bandwagon that has people on it. GDR is not that bandwagon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments replies: [–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago (2 children) I know several former East Germans. None of them was happy. How old are they? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -5 points 1 week ago (1 child) 50s now, so went to college during reunification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 week ago So you met a few in the group of East Germans most enamoured with "reunification", and who never experienced the economic benefits of living under socialism. I know plenty of East Germans born in the 40s and 50s. They would strongly disagree with your East Germans. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago Guess we can pack up all of political theory, this guy has an anecdote permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (25 children) "You don't have a good example because I know a handful of people (who children or not born when the USSR dissolved) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (24 children) Very glib. My point remains though - if this stuff were popular, it would be used more. So why don't we have it in the US? How do you propose to get around that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (22 children) Your point does not stand at all, you shared an anecdote. There is no empirical data supporting your claim, in actuality the majority of the people who lived during the time of the Soviet Union say they miss it and life was better in the USSR. Gonna steal @yogthos@lemmygrad.ml comment: A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same. In no other Central or Eastern European country surveyed did so many believe that economic life is worse now than during the communist era. This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94% describe the country's economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of Central and Eastern Europe. Just 46% of Hungarians approve of their country's switch from a state-controlled economy to a market economy; 42% disapprove of the move away from communism. The public is even more negative toward Hungary's integration into Europe; 71% say their country has been weakened by the process. The most incredible result was registered in a July 2010 IRES (Romanian Institute for Evaluation and Strategy) poll, according to which 41% of the respondents would have voted for Ceausescu, had he run for the position of president. And 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism, while only 23% attested that their life was worse then. Some 68% declared that communism was a good idea, just one that had been poorly applied. Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an "illegitimate state." In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR. A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -"during the time of socialism". The survey focused on the respondents' views on the transition "from socialism to capitalism", and a clear majority said they trusted social institutions the most during the rule of Yugoslav communist president Josip Broz Tito. The standard of living during Tito's rule from the Second World War to the 1980s was also assessed as best, whereas the Milosevic decade of the 1990s, and the subsequent decade since the fall of his regime are seen as "more or less the same". 45 percent said they trusted social institutions most under communism with 23 percent choosing the 2001-2003 period when Zoran Djinđic was prime minister. Only 19 per cent selected present-day institutions. 75% of Russians have expressed increasingly positive opinions about the Soviet Union over the years. Only a small portion of those surveyed said they had negative associations with the Soviet Union. The economic deficit, long lines and coupons were named by 4% of respondents each, while the Iron Curtain, economic stagnation and political repressions were named by 1% each, the Levada Center said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (21 children) You didn't address any of my questions. If this stuff is so popular, why isn't it used more? How do you propose to overcome the objections of the vast majority of Americans and Europeans, including the rich and powerful? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (20 children) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. You made a claim that you could not back up, the available empirical data opposes your claim, and yet you declare your point still stands. It does not. In a proper civil dialogue we conclude disagreements before moving on to the next wall you've thrown shit at to see what sticks. So if you want to ask questions and get them answered, then you gotta show yourself to be acting in good faith as well. This requires behaving like a normal person and not some little weasely booger who cannot admit fault or themself answer any questions - In your case you gotta either admit you were wrong, provide reasonable critique for why the data is not applicable (this of course requires you read the texts you have been given, something I doubt you will ever do, you types rarely even make it past the headline and even then it is typically only a brief skim, feverishly hunting for some sentence you can misinterpret) or provide sufficient empirical data that can help create a working hypothesis alongside the other data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (19 children) Ok great some people affected liked it. You win and have a huge penis. That does not mean it is popular here and I still don't see a way forward for it. Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. If only that were true. Unfortunately the next stop on your train is fascism not better regulation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children) ok you win There is nothing to win, we are having a discussion and you are behaving like an angry toddler, and I am asking that you behave normal in order for this conversation to be gainful. If you are not interested in dialogue, why engage in it? Just don't respond instead of wasting everyones time. That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Furthermore if you think "I win" then that does mean it is popular there. Why do you lie? Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. Completely vibes-based statement with nothing supporting it. Read Reform or Revolution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (3 children) That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Then why don't we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can't reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. I assert that that's all this will ever be. We have zero chance of this being implemented here. We do however have a chance of getting back to regulated capitalism. All we need is a new TR. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) Then why don’t we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can’t reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. For us to be able to go deeper into discussion we need to first agree on the facts that form the basis of the discussion, which we do not at the moment. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (1 child) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. This is condescending and intended to distract from the main point by being inflammatory You keep dodging because you don't have an answer. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. Nah. It can't be popular enough to work here. If it could, you would have said how. You're just diverting from that fact because you don't actually have an answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity Lmk when you want to actually make progress on anything regarding this topic and not just nitpick tediously. The main point is that there's no way to get those political systems to fly here because people don't want them currently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago this is condescending Correct, you are behaving poorly so I am treating you in kind Distracting from the main point The only one distracting from anything is you. You are the one who seeks discussion and then flees at challenge, I am holding you to it. You are now attempting to give yourself a plausible exit where you can save face, which is very funny since the only audience is you and me, yet your ego can still not handle it. Sadly the exit-strategy you've sought is ill-fitting, since both you and I are aware that you are the one who has been avoiding discussion, instead seeking to change the subject at every turn. It is no surprise that you would do something like this, you seem to be a fucking idiot. I still hold out hope you will be able to do the bare minimum, but I cannot be disappointed by you anymore. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (12 children) https://lemmy.world/comment/26373832 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (11 children) What do you feel this link provides? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (10 children) Evidence of the impracticality of what you propose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (9 children) So far the only thing I have proposed is that you are wrong about your point still standing and I have supplied additional evidence to supply this. You keep trying to argue against something else because you have a weak and prideful mind, too fragile to handle being wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) So still answer for "how will this make a political impact in the US?" But lots of ad hominem attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (4 children) God damn, Reddit shitlibs really do think that "ad-hominem" is just a magic incantation to win debates they were otherwise eating shit in permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (3 children) Ironically your comment here is also an ad hominem attack. For the 9th time, does anyone have a practical plan for getting these political plans implemented? Please do not answer with anything but that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Oh my fucking god, please learn what terms actually mean before regurgitating them everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Still no plans I see permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I have actually made 0 ad hominem so far. You are confusing "insults" with "attacking the argument through the character". Of course you wouldn't know that, halfwit that you are. The rebuttal has been presented, you have failed to engage with it, you are the one halting discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ok still no plans though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence. You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn't worked "here" whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today. Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day. So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world. permalink fedilink source parent [+] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] bloviate@lemmus.org -14 points 1 week ago (34 children) Western culture won't work like that. Germany is about as far as we go, and that's still capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 34 child comments replies: [–] lenabee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 week ago (33 children) Doesn't =/= Wouldn't permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 33 child comments replies: [+] bloviate@lemmus.org -8 points 1 week ago (32 children) This has never been reduced to practice. Completely theoretical. You need to find people where they are, not where they should be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 32 child comments replies: [–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago (31 children) This has never been reduced to practice. Completely theoretical. You need to find people where they are, not where they should be Because the bourgeoisie impede any attempt. And you're wrong as GDR is proof it did work. Nazi Germany is capitalism's response to Communism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 31 child comments replies: [+] bloviate@lemmus.org -6 points 1 week ago (30 children) I know several former East Germans. None of them was happy. They all agree that things are better now. You don't have a good example. To the extent that the bourgeoisie are able to vote, buy political ads, hire private police, use private schools which reinforce their preferences, etc this will never fly. Again you need to find a third way that is popular. My solution is regulation, but I would happily jump on a bandwagon that has people on it. GDR is not that bandwagon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments replies: [–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago (2 children) I know several former East Germans. None of them was happy. How old are they? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -5 points 1 week ago (1 child) 50s now, so went to college during reunification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 week ago So you met a few in the group of East Germans most enamoured with "reunification", and who never experienced the economic benefits of living under socialism. I know plenty of East Germans born in the 40s and 50s. They would strongly disagree with your East Germans. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago Guess we can pack up all of political theory, this guy has an anecdote permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (25 children) "You don't have a good example because I know a handful of people (who children or not born when the USSR dissolved) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (24 children) Very glib. My point remains though - if this stuff were popular, it would be used more. So why don't we have it in the US? How do you propose to get around that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (22 children) Your point does not stand at all, you shared an anecdote. There is no empirical data supporting your claim, in actuality the majority of the people who lived during the time of the Soviet Union say they miss it and life was better in the USSR. Gonna steal @yogthos@lemmygrad.ml comment: A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same. In no other Central or Eastern European country surveyed did so many believe that economic life is worse now than during the communist era. This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94% describe the country's economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of Central and Eastern Europe. Just 46% of Hungarians approve of their country's switch from a state-controlled economy to a market economy; 42% disapprove of the move away from communism. The public is even more negative toward Hungary's integration into Europe; 71% say their country has been weakened by the process. The most incredible result was registered in a July 2010 IRES (Romanian Institute for Evaluation and Strategy) poll, according to which 41% of the respondents would have voted for Ceausescu, had he run for the position of president. And 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism, while only 23% attested that their life was worse then. Some 68% declared that communism was a good idea, just one that had been poorly applied. Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an "illegitimate state." In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR. A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -"during the time of socialism". The survey focused on the respondents' views on the transition "from socialism to capitalism", and a clear majority said they trusted social institutions the most during the rule of Yugoslav communist president Josip Broz Tito. The standard of living during Tito's rule from the Second World War to the 1980s was also assessed as best, whereas the Milosevic decade of the 1990s, and the subsequent decade since the fall of his regime are seen as "more or less the same". 45 percent said they trusted social institutions most under communism with 23 percent choosing the 2001-2003 period when Zoran Djinđic was prime minister. Only 19 per cent selected present-day institutions. 75% of Russians have expressed increasingly positive opinions about the Soviet Union over the years. Only a small portion of those surveyed said they had negative associations with the Soviet Union. The economic deficit, long lines and coupons were named by 4% of respondents each, while the Iron Curtain, economic stagnation and political repressions were named by 1% each, the Levada Center said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (21 children) You didn't address any of my questions. If this stuff is so popular, why isn't it used more? How do you propose to overcome the objections of the vast majority of Americans and Europeans, including the rich and powerful? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (20 children) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. You made a claim that you could not back up, the available empirical data opposes your claim, and yet you declare your point still stands. It does not. In a proper civil dialogue we conclude disagreements before moving on to the next wall you've thrown shit at to see what sticks. So if you want to ask questions and get them answered, then you gotta show yourself to be acting in good faith as well. This requires behaving like a normal person and not some little weasely booger who cannot admit fault or themself answer any questions - In your case you gotta either admit you were wrong, provide reasonable critique for why the data is not applicable (this of course requires you read the texts you have been given, something I doubt you will ever do, you types rarely even make it past the headline and even then it is typically only a brief skim, feverishly hunting for some sentence you can misinterpret) or provide sufficient empirical data that can help create a working hypothesis alongside the other data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (19 children) Ok great some people affected liked it. You win and have a huge penis. That does not mean it is popular here and I still don't see a way forward for it. Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. If only that were true. Unfortunately the next stop on your train is fascism not better regulation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children) ok you win There is nothing to win, we are having a discussion and you are behaving like an angry toddler, and I am asking that you behave normal in order for this conversation to be gainful. If you are not interested in dialogue, why engage in it? Just don't respond instead of wasting everyones time. That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Furthermore if you think "I win" then that does mean it is popular there. Why do you lie? Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. Completely vibes-based statement with nothing supporting it. Read Reform or Revolution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (3 children) That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Then why don't we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can't reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. I assert that that's all this will ever be. We have zero chance of this being implemented here. We do however have a chance of getting back to regulated capitalism. All we need is a new TR. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) Then why don’t we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can’t reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. For us to be able to go deeper into discussion we need to first agree on the facts that form the basis of the discussion, which we do not at the moment. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (1 child) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. This is condescending and intended to distract from the main point by being inflammatory You keep dodging because you don't have an answer. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. Nah. It can't be popular enough to work here. If it could, you would have said how. You're just diverting from that fact because you don't actually have an answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity Lmk when you want to actually make progress on anything regarding this topic and not just nitpick tediously. The main point is that there's no way to get those political systems to fly here because people don't want them currently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago this is condescending Correct, you are behaving poorly so I am treating you in kind Distracting from the main point The only one distracting from anything is you. You are the one who seeks discussion and then flees at challenge, I am holding you to it. You are now attempting to give yourself a plausible exit where you can save face, which is very funny since the only audience is you and me, yet your ego can still not handle it. Sadly the exit-strategy you've sought is ill-fitting, since both you and I are aware that you are the one who has been avoiding discussion, instead seeking to change the subject at every turn. It is no surprise that you would do something like this, you seem to be a fucking idiot. I still hold out hope you will be able to do the bare minimum, but I cannot be disappointed by you anymore. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (12 children) https://lemmy.world/comment/26373832 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (11 children) What do you feel this link provides? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (10 children) Evidence of the impracticality of what you propose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (9 children) So far the only thing I have proposed is that you are wrong about your point still standing and I have supplied additional evidence to supply this. You keep trying to argue against something else because you have a weak and prideful mind, too fragile to handle being wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) So still answer for "how will this make a political impact in the US?" But lots of ad hominem attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (4 children) God damn, Reddit shitlibs really do think that "ad-hominem" is just a magic incantation to win debates they were otherwise eating shit in permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (3 children) Ironically your comment here is also an ad hominem attack. For the 9th time, does anyone have a practical plan for getting these political plans implemented? Please do not answer with anything but that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Oh my fucking god, please learn what terms actually mean before regurgitating them everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Still no plans I see permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I have actually made 0 ad hominem so far. You are confusing "insults" with "attacking the argument through the character". Of course you wouldn't know that, halfwit that you are. The rebuttal has been presented, you have failed to engage with it, you are the one halting discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ok still no plans though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence. You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn't worked "here" whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today. Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day. So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world. permalink fedilink source parent [+] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lenabee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 week ago (33 children) Doesn't =/= Wouldn't permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 33 child comments replies: [+] bloviate@lemmus.org -8 points 1 week ago (32 children) This has never been reduced to practice. Completely theoretical. You need to find people where they are, not where they should be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 32 child comments replies: [–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago (31 children) This has never been reduced to practice. Completely theoretical. You need to find people where they are, not where they should be Because the bourgeoisie impede any attempt. And you're wrong as GDR is proof it did work. Nazi Germany is capitalism's response to Communism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 31 child comments replies: [+] bloviate@lemmus.org -6 points 1 week ago (30 children) I know several former East Germans. None of them was happy. They all agree that things are better now. You don't have a good example. To the extent that the bourgeoisie are able to vote, buy political ads, hire private police, use private schools which reinforce their preferences, etc this will never fly. Again you need to find a third way that is popular. My solution is regulation, but I would happily jump on a bandwagon that has people on it. GDR is not that bandwagon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments replies: [–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago (2 children) I know several former East Germans. None of them was happy. How old are they? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -5 points 1 week ago (1 child) 50s now, so went to college during reunification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 week ago So you met a few in the group of East Germans most enamoured with "reunification", and who never experienced the economic benefits of living under socialism. I know plenty of East Germans born in the 40s and 50s. They would strongly disagree with your East Germans. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago Guess we can pack up all of political theory, this guy has an anecdote permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (25 children) "You don't have a good example because I know a handful of people (who children or not born when the USSR dissolved) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (24 children) Very glib. My point remains though - if this stuff were popular, it would be used more. So why don't we have it in the US? How do you propose to get around that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (22 children) Your point does not stand at all, you shared an anecdote. There is no empirical data supporting your claim, in actuality the majority of the people who lived during the time of the Soviet Union say they miss it and life was better in the USSR. Gonna steal @yogthos@lemmygrad.ml comment: A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same. In no other Central or Eastern European country surveyed did so many believe that economic life is worse now than during the communist era. This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94% describe the country's economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of Central and Eastern Europe. Just 46% of Hungarians approve of their country's switch from a state-controlled economy to a market economy; 42% disapprove of the move away from communism. The public is even more negative toward Hungary's integration into Europe; 71% say their country has been weakened by the process. The most incredible result was registered in a July 2010 IRES (Romanian Institute for Evaluation and Strategy) poll, according to which 41% of the respondents would have voted for Ceausescu, had he run for the position of president. And 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism, while only 23% attested that their life was worse then. Some 68% declared that communism was a good idea, just one that had been poorly applied. Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an "illegitimate state." In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR. A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -"during the time of socialism". The survey focused on the respondents' views on the transition "from socialism to capitalism", and a clear majority said they trusted social institutions the most during the rule of Yugoslav communist president Josip Broz Tito. The standard of living during Tito's rule from the Second World War to the 1980s was also assessed as best, whereas the Milosevic decade of the 1990s, and the subsequent decade since the fall of his regime are seen as "more or less the same". 45 percent said they trusted social institutions most under communism with 23 percent choosing the 2001-2003 period when Zoran Djinđic was prime minister. Only 19 per cent selected present-day institutions. 75% of Russians have expressed increasingly positive opinions about the Soviet Union over the years. Only a small portion of those surveyed said they had negative associations with the Soviet Union. The economic deficit, long lines and coupons were named by 4% of respondents each, while the Iron Curtain, economic stagnation and political repressions were named by 1% each, the Levada Center said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (21 children) You didn't address any of my questions. If this stuff is so popular, why isn't it used more? How do you propose to overcome the objections of the vast majority of Americans and Europeans, including the rich and powerful? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (20 children) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. You made a claim that you could not back up, the available empirical data opposes your claim, and yet you declare your point still stands. It does not. In a proper civil dialogue we conclude disagreements before moving on to the next wall you've thrown shit at to see what sticks. So if you want to ask questions and get them answered, then you gotta show yourself to be acting in good faith as well. This requires behaving like a normal person and not some little weasely booger who cannot admit fault or themself answer any questions - In your case you gotta either admit you were wrong, provide reasonable critique for why the data is not applicable (this of course requires you read the texts you have been given, something I doubt you will ever do, you types rarely even make it past the headline and even then it is typically only a brief skim, feverishly hunting for some sentence you can misinterpret) or provide sufficient empirical data that can help create a working hypothesis alongside the other data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (19 children) Ok great some people affected liked it. You win and have a huge penis. That does not mean it is popular here and I still don't see a way forward for it. Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. If only that were true. Unfortunately the next stop on your train is fascism not better regulation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children) ok you win There is nothing to win, we are having a discussion and you are behaving like an angry toddler, and I am asking that you behave normal in order for this conversation to be gainful. If you are not interested in dialogue, why engage in it? Just don't respond instead of wasting everyones time. That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Furthermore if you think "I win" then that does mean it is popular there. Why do you lie? Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. Completely vibes-based statement with nothing supporting it. Read Reform or Revolution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (3 children) That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Then why don't we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can't reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. I assert that that's all this will ever be. We have zero chance of this being implemented here. We do however have a chance of getting back to regulated capitalism. All we need is a new TR. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) Then why don’t we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can’t reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. For us to be able to go deeper into discussion we need to first agree on the facts that form the basis of the discussion, which we do not at the moment. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (1 child) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. This is condescending and intended to distract from the main point by being inflammatory You keep dodging because you don't have an answer. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. Nah. It can't be popular enough to work here. If it could, you would have said how. You're just diverting from that fact because you don't actually have an answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity Lmk when you want to actually make progress on anything regarding this topic and not just nitpick tediously. The main point is that there's no way to get those political systems to fly here because people don't want them currently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago this is condescending Correct, you are behaving poorly so I am treating you in kind Distracting from the main point The only one distracting from anything is you. You are the one who seeks discussion and then flees at challenge, I am holding you to it. You are now attempting to give yourself a plausible exit where you can save face, which is very funny since the only audience is you and me, yet your ego can still not handle it. Sadly the exit-strategy you've sought is ill-fitting, since both you and I are aware that you are the one who has been avoiding discussion, instead seeking to change the subject at every turn. It is no surprise that you would do something like this, you seem to be a fucking idiot. I still hold out hope you will be able to do the bare minimum, but I cannot be disappointed by you anymore. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (12 children) https://lemmy.world/comment/26373832 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (11 children) What do you feel this link provides? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (10 children) Evidence of the impracticality of what you propose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (9 children) So far the only thing I have proposed is that you are wrong about your point still standing and I have supplied additional evidence to supply this. You keep trying to argue against something else because you have a weak and prideful mind, too fragile to handle being wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) So still answer for "how will this make a political impact in the US?" But lots of ad hominem attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (4 children) God damn, Reddit shitlibs really do think that "ad-hominem" is just a magic incantation to win debates they were otherwise eating shit in permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (3 children) Ironically your comment here is also an ad hominem attack. For the 9th time, does anyone have a practical plan for getting these political plans implemented? Please do not answer with anything but that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Oh my fucking god, please learn what terms actually mean before regurgitating them everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Still no plans I see permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I have actually made 0 ad hominem so far. You are confusing "insults" with "attacking the argument through the character". Of course you wouldn't know that, halfwit that you are. The rebuttal has been presented, you have failed to engage with it, you are the one halting discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ok still no plans though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence. You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn't worked "here" whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today. Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day. So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world. permalink fedilink source parent [+] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] bloviate@lemmus.org -8 points 1 week ago (32 children) This has never been reduced to practice. Completely theoretical. You need to find people where they are, not where they should be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 32 child comments replies: [–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago (31 children) This has never been reduced to practice. Completely theoretical. You need to find people where they are, not where they should be Because the bourgeoisie impede any attempt. And you're wrong as GDR is proof it did work. Nazi Germany is capitalism's response to Communism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 31 child comments replies: [+] bloviate@lemmus.org -6 points 1 week ago (30 children) I know several former East Germans. None of them was happy. They all agree that things are better now. You don't have a good example. To the extent that the bourgeoisie are able to vote, buy political ads, hire private police, use private schools which reinforce their preferences, etc this will never fly. Again you need to find a third way that is popular. My solution is regulation, but I would happily jump on a bandwagon that has people on it. GDR is not that bandwagon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments replies: [–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago (2 children) I know several former East Germans. None of them was happy. How old are they? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -5 points 1 week ago (1 child) 50s now, so went to college during reunification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 week ago So you met a few in the group of East Germans most enamoured with "reunification", and who never experienced the economic benefits of living under socialism. I know plenty of East Germans born in the 40s and 50s. They would strongly disagree with your East Germans. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago Guess we can pack up all of political theory, this guy has an anecdote permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (25 children) "You don't have a good example because I know a handful of people (who children or not born when the USSR dissolved) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (24 children) Very glib. My point remains though - if this stuff were popular, it would be used more. So why don't we have it in the US? How do you propose to get around that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (22 children) Your point does not stand at all, you shared an anecdote. There is no empirical data supporting your claim, in actuality the majority of the people who lived during the time of the Soviet Union say they miss it and life was better in the USSR. Gonna steal @yogthos@lemmygrad.ml comment: A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same. In no other Central or Eastern European country surveyed did so many believe that economic life is worse now than during the communist era. This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94% describe the country's economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of Central and Eastern Europe. Just 46% of Hungarians approve of their country's switch from a state-controlled economy to a market economy; 42% disapprove of the move away from communism. The public is even more negative toward Hungary's integration into Europe; 71% say their country has been weakened by the process. The most incredible result was registered in a July 2010 IRES (Romanian Institute for Evaluation and Strategy) poll, according to which 41% of the respondents would have voted for Ceausescu, had he run for the position of president. And 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism, while only 23% attested that their life was worse then. Some 68% declared that communism was a good idea, just one that had been poorly applied. Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an "illegitimate state." In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR. A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -"during the time of socialism". The survey focused on the respondents' views on the transition "from socialism to capitalism", and a clear majority said they trusted social institutions the most during the rule of Yugoslav communist president Josip Broz Tito. The standard of living during Tito's rule from the Second World War to the 1980s was also assessed as best, whereas the Milosevic decade of the 1990s, and the subsequent decade since the fall of his regime are seen as "more or less the same". 45 percent said they trusted social institutions most under communism with 23 percent choosing the 2001-2003 period when Zoran Djinđic was prime minister. Only 19 per cent selected present-day institutions. 75% of Russians have expressed increasingly positive opinions about the Soviet Union over the years. Only a small portion of those surveyed said they had negative associations with the Soviet Union. The economic deficit, long lines and coupons were named by 4% of respondents each, while the Iron Curtain, economic stagnation and political repressions were named by 1% each, the Levada Center said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (21 children) You didn't address any of my questions. If this stuff is so popular, why isn't it used more? How do you propose to overcome the objections of the vast majority of Americans and Europeans, including the rich and powerful? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (20 children) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. You made a claim that you could not back up, the available empirical data opposes your claim, and yet you declare your point still stands. It does not. In a proper civil dialogue we conclude disagreements before moving on to the next wall you've thrown shit at to see what sticks. So if you want to ask questions and get them answered, then you gotta show yourself to be acting in good faith as well. This requires behaving like a normal person and not some little weasely booger who cannot admit fault or themself answer any questions - In your case you gotta either admit you were wrong, provide reasonable critique for why the data is not applicable (this of course requires you read the texts you have been given, something I doubt you will ever do, you types rarely even make it past the headline and even then it is typically only a brief skim, feverishly hunting for some sentence you can misinterpret) or provide sufficient empirical data that can help create a working hypothesis alongside the other data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (19 children) Ok great some people affected liked it. You win and have a huge penis. That does not mean it is popular here and I still don't see a way forward for it. Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. If only that were true. Unfortunately the next stop on your train is fascism not better regulation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children) ok you win There is nothing to win, we are having a discussion and you are behaving like an angry toddler, and I am asking that you behave normal in order for this conversation to be gainful. If you are not interested in dialogue, why engage in it? Just don't respond instead of wasting everyones time. That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Furthermore if you think "I win" then that does mean it is popular there. Why do you lie? Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. Completely vibes-based statement with nothing supporting it. Read Reform or Revolution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (3 children) That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Then why don't we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can't reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. I assert that that's all this will ever be. We have zero chance of this being implemented here. We do however have a chance of getting back to regulated capitalism. All we need is a new TR. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) Then why don’t we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can’t reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. For us to be able to go deeper into discussion we need to first agree on the facts that form the basis of the discussion, which we do not at the moment. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (1 child) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. This is condescending and intended to distract from the main point by being inflammatory You keep dodging because you don't have an answer. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. Nah. It can't be popular enough to work here. If it could, you would have said how. You're just diverting from that fact because you don't actually have an answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity Lmk when you want to actually make progress on anything regarding this topic and not just nitpick tediously. The main point is that there's no way to get those political systems to fly here because people don't want them currently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago this is condescending Correct, you are behaving poorly so I am treating you in kind Distracting from the main point The only one distracting from anything is you. You are the one who seeks discussion and then flees at challenge, I am holding you to it. You are now attempting to give yourself a plausible exit where you can save face, which is very funny since the only audience is you and me, yet your ego can still not handle it. Sadly the exit-strategy you've sought is ill-fitting, since both you and I are aware that you are the one who has been avoiding discussion, instead seeking to change the subject at every turn. It is no surprise that you would do something like this, you seem to be a fucking idiot. I still hold out hope you will be able to do the bare minimum, but I cannot be disappointed by you anymore. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (12 children) https://lemmy.world/comment/26373832 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (11 children) What do you feel this link provides? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (10 children) Evidence of the impracticality of what you propose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (9 children) So far the only thing I have proposed is that you are wrong about your point still standing and I have supplied additional evidence to supply this. You keep trying to argue against something else because you have a weak and prideful mind, too fragile to handle being wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) So still answer for "how will this make a political impact in the US?" But lots of ad hominem attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (4 children) God damn, Reddit shitlibs really do think that "ad-hominem" is just a magic incantation to win debates they were otherwise eating shit in permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (3 children) Ironically your comment here is also an ad hominem attack. For the 9th time, does anyone have a practical plan for getting these political plans implemented? Please do not answer with anything but that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Oh my fucking god, please learn what terms actually mean before regurgitating them everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Still no plans I see permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I have actually made 0 ad hominem so far. You are confusing "insults" with "attacking the argument through the character". Of course you wouldn't know that, halfwit that you are. The rebuttal has been presented, you have failed to engage with it, you are the one halting discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ok still no plans though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence. You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn't worked "here" whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today. Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day. So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world. permalink fedilink source parent [+] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago (31 children) This has never been reduced to practice. Completely theoretical. You need to find people where they are, not where they should be Because the bourgeoisie impede any attempt. And you're wrong as GDR is proof it did work. Nazi Germany is capitalism's response to Communism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 31 child comments replies: [+] bloviate@lemmus.org -6 points 1 week ago (30 children) I know several former East Germans. None of them was happy. They all agree that things are better now. You don't have a good example. To the extent that the bourgeoisie are able to vote, buy political ads, hire private police, use private schools which reinforce their preferences, etc this will never fly. Again you need to find a third way that is popular. My solution is regulation, but I would happily jump on a bandwagon that has people on it. GDR is not that bandwagon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments replies: [–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago (2 children) I know several former East Germans. None of them was happy. How old are they? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -5 points 1 week ago (1 child) 50s now, so went to college during reunification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 week ago So you met a few in the group of East Germans most enamoured with "reunification", and who never experienced the economic benefits of living under socialism. I know plenty of East Germans born in the 40s and 50s. They would strongly disagree with your East Germans. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago Guess we can pack up all of political theory, this guy has an anecdote permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (25 children) "You don't have a good example because I know a handful of people (who children or not born when the USSR dissolved) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (24 children) Very glib. My point remains though - if this stuff were popular, it would be used more. So why don't we have it in the US? How do you propose to get around that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (22 children) Your point does not stand at all, you shared an anecdote. There is no empirical data supporting your claim, in actuality the majority of the people who lived during the time of the Soviet Union say they miss it and life was better in the USSR. Gonna steal @yogthos@lemmygrad.ml comment: A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same. In no other Central or Eastern European country surveyed did so many believe that economic life is worse now than during the communist era. This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94% describe the country's economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of Central and Eastern Europe. Just 46% of Hungarians approve of their country's switch from a state-controlled economy to a market economy; 42% disapprove of the move away from communism. The public is even more negative toward Hungary's integration into Europe; 71% say their country has been weakened by the process. The most incredible result was registered in a July 2010 IRES (Romanian Institute for Evaluation and Strategy) poll, according to which 41% of the respondents would have voted for Ceausescu, had he run for the position of president. And 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism, while only 23% attested that their life was worse then. Some 68% declared that communism was a good idea, just one that had been poorly applied. Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an "illegitimate state." In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR. A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -"during the time of socialism". The survey focused on the respondents' views on the transition "from socialism to capitalism", and a clear majority said they trusted social institutions the most during the rule of Yugoslav communist president Josip Broz Tito. The standard of living during Tito's rule from the Second World War to the 1980s was also assessed as best, whereas the Milosevic decade of the 1990s, and the subsequent decade since the fall of his regime are seen as "more or less the same". 45 percent said they trusted social institutions most under communism with 23 percent choosing the 2001-2003 period when Zoran Djinđic was prime minister. Only 19 per cent selected present-day institutions. 75% of Russians have expressed increasingly positive opinions about the Soviet Union over the years. Only a small portion of those surveyed said they had negative associations with the Soviet Union. The economic deficit, long lines and coupons were named by 4% of respondents each, while the Iron Curtain, economic stagnation and political repressions were named by 1% each, the Levada Center said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (21 children) You didn't address any of my questions. If this stuff is so popular, why isn't it used more? How do you propose to overcome the objections of the vast majority of Americans and Europeans, including the rich and powerful? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (20 children) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. You made a claim that you could not back up, the available empirical data opposes your claim, and yet you declare your point still stands. It does not. In a proper civil dialogue we conclude disagreements before moving on to the next wall you've thrown shit at to see what sticks. So if you want to ask questions and get them answered, then you gotta show yourself to be acting in good faith as well. This requires behaving like a normal person and not some little weasely booger who cannot admit fault or themself answer any questions - In your case you gotta either admit you were wrong, provide reasonable critique for why the data is not applicable (this of course requires you read the texts you have been given, something I doubt you will ever do, you types rarely even make it past the headline and even then it is typically only a brief skim, feverishly hunting for some sentence you can misinterpret) or provide sufficient empirical data that can help create a working hypothesis alongside the other data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (19 children) Ok great some people affected liked it. You win and have a huge penis. That does not mean it is popular here and I still don't see a way forward for it. Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. If only that were true. Unfortunately the next stop on your train is fascism not better regulation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children) ok you win There is nothing to win, we are having a discussion and you are behaving like an angry toddler, and I am asking that you behave normal in order for this conversation to be gainful. If you are not interested in dialogue, why engage in it? Just don't respond instead of wasting everyones time. That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Furthermore if you think "I win" then that does mean it is popular there. Why do you lie? Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. Completely vibes-based statement with nothing supporting it. Read Reform or Revolution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (3 children) That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Then why don't we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can't reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. I assert that that's all this will ever be. We have zero chance of this being implemented here. We do however have a chance of getting back to regulated capitalism. All we need is a new TR. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) Then why don’t we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can’t reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. For us to be able to go deeper into discussion we need to first agree on the facts that form the basis of the discussion, which we do not at the moment. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (1 child) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. This is condescending and intended to distract from the main point by being inflammatory You keep dodging because you don't have an answer. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. Nah. It can't be popular enough to work here. If it could, you would have said how. You're just diverting from that fact because you don't actually have an answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity Lmk when you want to actually make progress on anything regarding this topic and not just nitpick tediously. The main point is that there's no way to get those political systems to fly here because people don't want them currently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago this is condescending Correct, you are behaving poorly so I am treating you in kind Distracting from the main point The only one distracting from anything is you. You are the one who seeks discussion and then flees at challenge, I am holding you to it. You are now attempting to give yourself a plausible exit where you can save face, which is very funny since the only audience is you and me, yet your ego can still not handle it. Sadly the exit-strategy you've sought is ill-fitting, since both you and I are aware that you are the one who has been avoiding discussion, instead seeking to change the subject at every turn. It is no surprise that you would do something like this, you seem to be a fucking idiot. I still hold out hope you will be able to do the bare minimum, but I cannot be disappointed by you anymore. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (12 children) https://lemmy.world/comment/26373832 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (11 children) What do you feel this link provides? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (10 children) Evidence of the impracticality of what you propose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (9 children) So far the only thing I have proposed is that you are wrong about your point still standing and I have supplied additional evidence to supply this. You keep trying to argue against something else because you have a weak and prideful mind, too fragile to handle being wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) So still answer for "how will this make a political impact in the US?" But lots of ad hominem attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (4 children) God damn, Reddit shitlibs really do think that "ad-hominem" is just a magic incantation to win debates they were otherwise eating shit in permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (3 children) Ironically your comment here is also an ad hominem attack. For the 9th time, does anyone have a practical plan for getting these political plans implemented? Please do not answer with anything but that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Oh my fucking god, please learn what terms actually mean before regurgitating them everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Still no plans I see permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I have actually made 0 ad hominem so far. You are confusing "insults" with "attacking the argument through the character". Of course you wouldn't know that, halfwit that you are. The rebuttal has been presented, you have failed to engage with it, you are the one halting discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ok still no plans though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence. You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn't worked "here" whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today. Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day. So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world. permalink fedilink source parent [+] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] bloviate@lemmus.org -6 points 1 week ago (30 children) I know several former East Germans. None of them was happy. They all agree that things are better now. You don't have a good example. To the extent that the bourgeoisie are able to vote, buy political ads, hire private police, use private schools which reinforce their preferences, etc this will never fly. Again you need to find a third way that is popular. My solution is regulation, but I would happily jump on a bandwagon that has people on it. GDR is not that bandwagon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 30 child comments replies: [–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago (2 children) I know several former East Germans. None of them was happy. How old are they? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -5 points 1 week ago (1 child) 50s now, so went to college during reunification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 week ago So you met a few in the group of East Germans most enamoured with "reunification", and who never experienced the economic benefits of living under socialism. I know plenty of East Germans born in the 40s and 50s. They would strongly disagree with your East Germans. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago Guess we can pack up all of political theory, this guy has an anecdote permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (25 children) "You don't have a good example because I know a handful of people (who children or not born when the USSR dissolved) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (24 children) Very glib. My point remains though - if this stuff were popular, it would be used more. So why don't we have it in the US? How do you propose to get around that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (22 children) Your point does not stand at all, you shared an anecdote. There is no empirical data supporting your claim, in actuality the majority of the people who lived during the time of the Soviet Union say they miss it and life was better in the USSR. Gonna steal @yogthos@lemmygrad.ml comment: A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same. In no other Central or Eastern European country surveyed did so many believe that economic life is worse now than during the communist era. This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94% describe the country's economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of Central and Eastern Europe. Just 46% of Hungarians approve of their country's switch from a state-controlled economy to a market economy; 42% disapprove of the move away from communism. The public is even more negative toward Hungary's integration into Europe; 71% say their country has been weakened by the process. The most incredible result was registered in a July 2010 IRES (Romanian Institute for Evaluation and Strategy) poll, according to which 41% of the respondents would have voted for Ceausescu, had he run for the position of president. And 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism, while only 23% attested that their life was worse then. Some 68% declared that communism was a good idea, just one that had been poorly applied. Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an "illegitimate state." In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR. A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -"during the time of socialism". The survey focused on the respondents' views on the transition "from socialism to capitalism", and a clear majority said they trusted social institutions the most during the rule of Yugoslav communist president Josip Broz Tito. The standard of living during Tito's rule from the Second World War to the 1980s was also assessed as best, whereas the Milosevic decade of the 1990s, and the subsequent decade since the fall of his regime are seen as "more or less the same". 45 percent said they trusted social institutions most under communism with 23 percent choosing the 2001-2003 period when Zoran Djinđic was prime minister. Only 19 per cent selected present-day institutions. 75% of Russians have expressed increasingly positive opinions about the Soviet Union over the years. Only a small portion of those surveyed said they had negative associations with the Soviet Union. The economic deficit, long lines and coupons were named by 4% of respondents each, while the Iron Curtain, economic stagnation and political repressions were named by 1% each, the Levada Center said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (21 children) You didn't address any of my questions. If this stuff is so popular, why isn't it used more? How do you propose to overcome the objections of the vast majority of Americans and Europeans, including the rich and powerful? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (20 children) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. You made a claim that you could not back up, the available empirical data opposes your claim, and yet you declare your point still stands. It does not. In a proper civil dialogue we conclude disagreements before moving on to the next wall you've thrown shit at to see what sticks. So if you want to ask questions and get them answered, then you gotta show yourself to be acting in good faith as well. This requires behaving like a normal person and not some little weasely booger who cannot admit fault or themself answer any questions - In your case you gotta either admit you were wrong, provide reasonable critique for why the data is not applicable (this of course requires you read the texts you have been given, something I doubt you will ever do, you types rarely even make it past the headline and even then it is typically only a brief skim, feverishly hunting for some sentence you can misinterpret) or provide sufficient empirical data that can help create a working hypothesis alongside the other data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (19 children) Ok great some people affected liked it. You win and have a huge penis. That does not mean it is popular here and I still don't see a way forward for it. Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. If only that were true. Unfortunately the next stop on your train is fascism not better regulation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children) ok you win There is nothing to win, we are having a discussion and you are behaving like an angry toddler, and I am asking that you behave normal in order for this conversation to be gainful. If you are not interested in dialogue, why engage in it? Just don't respond instead of wasting everyones time. That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Furthermore if you think "I win" then that does mean it is popular there. Why do you lie? Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. Completely vibes-based statement with nothing supporting it. Read Reform or Revolution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (3 children) That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Then why don't we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can't reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. I assert that that's all this will ever be. We have zero chance of this being implemented here. We do however have a chance of getting back to regulated capitalism. All we need is a new TR. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) Then why don’t we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can’t reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. For us to be able to go deeper into discussion we need to first agree on the facts that form the basis of the discussion, which we do not at the moment. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (1 child) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. This is condescending and intended to distract from the main point by being inflammatory You keep dodging because you don't have an answer. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. Nah. It can't be popular enough to work here. If it could, you would have said how. You're just diverting from that fact because you don't actually have an answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity Lmk when you want to actually make progress on anything regarding this topic and not just nitpick tediously. The main point is that there's no way to get those political systems to fly here because people don't want them currently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago this is condescending Correct, you are behaving poorly so I am treating you in kind Distracting from the main point The only one distracting from anything is you. You are the one who seeks discussion and then flees at challenge, I am holding you to it. You are now attempting to give yourself a plausible exit where you can save face, which is very funny since the only audience is you and me, yet your ego can still not handle it. Sadly the exit-strategy you've sought is ill-fitting, since both you and I are aware that you are the one who has been avoiding discussion, instead seeking to change the subject at every turn. It is no surprise that you would do something like this, you seem to be a fucking idiot. I still hold out hope you will be able to do the bare minimum, but I cannot be disappointed by you anymore. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (12 children) https://lemmy.world/comment/26373832 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (11 children) What do you feel this link provides? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (10 children) Evidence of the impracticality of what you propose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (9 children) So far the only thing I have proposed is that you are wrong about your point still standing and I have supplied additional evidence to supply this. You keep trying to argue against something else because you have a weak and prideful mind, too fragile to handle being wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) So still answer for "how will this make a political impact in the US?" But lots of ad hominem attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (4 children) God damn, Reddit shitlibs really do think that "ad-hominem" is just a magic incantation to win debates they were otherwise eating shit in permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (3 children) Ironically your comment here is also an ad hominem attack. For the 9th time, does anyone have a practical plan for getting these political plans implemented? Please do not answer with anything but that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Oh my fucking god, please learn what terms actually mean before regurgitating them everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Still no plans I see permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I have actually made 0 ad hominem so far. You are confusing "insults" with "attacking the argument through the character". Of course you wouldn't know that, halfwit that you are. The rebuttal has been presented, you have failed to engage with it, you are the one halting discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ok still no plans though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence. You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn't worked "here" whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today. Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day. So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world. permalink fedilink source parent [+] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EmmiLime@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago (2 children) I know several former East Germans. None of them was happy. How old are they? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -5 points 1 week ago (1 child) 50s now, so went to college during reunification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 week ago So you met a few in the group of East Germans most enamoured with "reunification", and who never experienced the economic benefits of living under socialism. I know plenty of East Germans born in the 40s and 50s. They would strongly disagree with your East Germans. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bloviate@lemmus.org -5 points 1 week ago (1 child) 50s now, so went to college during reunification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 week ago So you met a few in the group of East Germans most enamoured with "reunification", and who never experienced the economic benefits of living under socialism. I know plenty of East Germans born in the 40s and 50s. They would strongly disagree with your East Germans. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 week ago So you met a few in the group of East Germans most enamoured with "reunification", and who never experienced the economic benefits of living under socialism. I know plenty of East Germans born in the 40s and 50s. They would strongly disagree with your East Germans. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago Guess we can pack up all of political theory, this guy has an anecdote permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (25 children) "You don't have a good example because I know a handful of people (who children or not born when the USSR dissolved) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (24 children) Very glib. My point remains though - if this stuff were popular, it would be used more. So why don't we have it in the US? How do you propose to get around that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (22 children) Your point does not stand at all, you shared an anecdote. There is no empirical data supporting your claim, in actuality the majority of the people who lived during the time of the Soviet Union say they miss it and life was better in the USSR. Gonna steal @yogthos@lemmygrad.ml comment: A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same. In no other Central or Eastern European country surveyed did so many believe that economic life is worse now than during the communist era. This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94% describe the country's economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of Central and Eastern Europe. Just 46% of Hungarians approve of their country's switch from a state-controlled economy to a market economy; 42% disapprove of the move away from communism. The public is even more negative toward Hungary's integration into Europe; 71% say their country has been weakened by the process. The most incredible result was registered in a July 2010 IRES (Romanian Institute for Evaluation and Strategy) poll, according to which 41% of the respondents would have voted for Ceausescu, had he run for the position of president. And 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism, while only 23% attested that their life was worse then. Some 68% declared that communism was a good idea, just one that had been poorly applied. Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an "illegitimate state." In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR. A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -"during the time of socialism". The survey focused on the respondents' views on the transition "from socialism to capitalism", and a clear majority said they trusted social institutions the most during the rule of Yugoslav communist president Josip Broz Tito. The standard of living during Tito's rule from the Second World War to the 1980s was also assessed as best, whereas the Milosevic decade of the 1990s, and the subsequent decade since the fall of his regime are seen as "more or less the same". 45 percent said they trusted social institutions most under communism with 23 percent choosing the 2001-2003 period when Zoran Djinđic was prime minister. Only 19 per cent selected present-day institutions. 75% of Russians have expressed increasingly positive opinions about the Soviet Union over the years. Only a small portion of those surveyed said they had negative associations with the Soviet Union. The economic deficit, long lines and coupons were named by 4% of respondents each, while the Iron Curtain, economic stagnation and political repressions were named by 1% each, the Levada Center said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (21 children) You didn't address any of my questions. If this stuff is so popular, why isn't it used more? How do you propose to overcome the objections of the vast majority of Americans and Europeans, including the rich and powerful? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (20 children) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. You made a claim that you could not back up, the available empirical data opposes your claim, and yet you declare your point still stands. It does not. In a proper civil dialogue we conclude disagreements before moving on to the next wall you've thrown shit at to see what sticks. So if you want to ask questions and get them answered, then you gotta show yourself to be acting in good faith as well. This requires behaving like a normal person and not some little weasely booger who cannot admit fault or themself answer any questions - In your case you gotta either admit you were wrong, provide reasonable critique for why the data is not applicable (this of course requires you read the texts you have been given, something I doubt you will ever do, you types rarely even make it past the headline and even then it is typically only a brief skim, feverishly hunting for some sentence you can misinterpret) or provide sufficient empirical data that can help create a working hypothesis alongside the other data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (19 children) Ok great some people affected liked it. You win and have a huge penis. That does not mean it is popular here and I still don't see a way forward for it. Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. If only that were true. Unfortunately the next stop on your train is fascism not better regulation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children) ok you win There is nothing to win, we are having a discussion and you are behaving like an angry toddler, and I am asking that you behave normal in order for this conversation to be gainful. If you are not interested in dialogue, why engage in it? Just don't respond instead of wasting everyones time. That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Furthermore if you think "I win" then that does mean it is popular there. Why do you lie? Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. Completely vibes-based statement with nothing supporting it. Read Reform or Revolution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (3 children) That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Then why don't we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can't reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. I assert that that's all this will ever be. We have zero chance of this being implemented here. We do however have a chance of getting back to regulated capitalism. All we need is a new TR. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) Then why don’t we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can’t reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. For us to be able to go deeper into discussion we need to first agree on the facts that form the basis of the discussion, which we do not at the moment. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (1 child) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. This is condescending and intended to distract from the main point by being inflammatory You keep dodging because you don't have an answer. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. Nah. It can't be popular enough to work here. If it could, you would have said how. You're just diverting from that fact because you don't actually have an answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity Lmk when you want to actually make progress on anything regarding this topic and not just nitpick tediously. The main point is that there's no way to get those political systems to fly here because people don't want them currently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago this is condescending Correct, you are behaving poorly so I am treating you in kind Distracting from the main point The only one distracting from anything is you. You are the one who seeks discussion and then flees at challenge, I am holding you to it. You are now attempting to give yourself a plausible exit where you can save face, which is very funny since the only audience is you and me, yet your ego can still not handle it. Sadly the exit-strategy you've sought is ill-fitting, since both you and I are aware that you are the one who has been avoiding discussion, instead seeking to change the subject at every turn. It is no surprise that you would do something like this, you seem to be a fucking idiot. I still hold out hope you will be able to do the bare minimum, but I cannot be disappointed by you anymore. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (12 children) https://lemmy.world/comment/26373832 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (11 children) What do you feel this link provides? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (10 children) Evidence of the impracticality of what you propose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (9 children) So far the only thing I have proposed is that you are wrong about your point still standing and I have supplied additional evidence to supply this. You keep trying to argue against something else because you have a weak and prideful mind, too fragile to handle being wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) So still answer for "how will this make a political impact in the US?" But lots of ad hominem attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (4 children) God damn, Reddit shitlibs really do think that "ad-hominem" is just a magic incantation to win debates they were otherwise eating shit in permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (3 children) Ironically your comment here is also an ad hominem attack. For the 9th time, does anyone have a practical plan for getting these political plans implemented? Please do not answer with anything but that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Oh my fucking god, please learn what terms actually mean before regurgitating them everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Still no plans I see permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I have actually made 0 ad hominem so far. You are confusing "insults" with "attacking the argument through the character". Of course you wouldn't know that, halfwit that you are. The rebuttal has been presented, you have failed to engage with it, you are the one halting discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ok still no plans though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence. You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn't worked "here" whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today. Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day. So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world. permalink fedilink source parent [+] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (24 children) Very glib. My point remains though - if this stuff were popular, it would be used more. So why don't we have it in the US? How do you propose to get around that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (22 children) Your point does not stand at all, you shared an anecdote. There is no empirical data supporting your claim, in actuality the majority of the people who lived during the time of the Soviet Union say they miss it and life was better in the USSR. Gonna steal @yogthos@lemmygrad.ml comment: A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same. In no other Central or Eastern European country surveyed did so many believe that economic life is worse now than during the communist era. This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94% describe the country's economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of Central and Eastern Europe. Just 46% of Hungarians approve of their country's switch from a state-controlled economy to a market economy; 42% disapprove of the move away from communism. The public is even more negative toward Hungary's integration into Europe; 71% say their country has been weakened by the process. The most incredible result was registered in a July 2010 IRES (Romanian Institute for Evaluation and Strategy) poll, according to which 41% of the respondents would have voted for Ceausescu, had he run for the position of president. And 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism, while only 23% attested that their life was worse then. Some 68% declared that communism was a good idea, just one that had been poorly applied. Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an "illegitimate state." In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR. A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -"during the time of socialism". The survey focused on the respondents' views on the transition "from socialism to capitalism", and a clear majority said they trusted social institutions the most during the rule of Yugoslav communist president Josip Broz Tito. The standard of living during Tito's rule from the Second World War to the 1980s was also assessed as best, whereas the Milosevic decade of the 1990s, and the subsequent decade since the fall of his regime are seen as "more or less the same". 45 percent said they trusted social institutions most under communism with 23 percent choosing the 2001-2003 period when Zoran Djinđic was prime minister. Only 19 per cent selected present-day institutions. 75% of Russians have expressed increasingly positive opinions about the Soviet Union over the years. Only a small portion of those surveyed said they had negative associations with the Soviet Union. The economic deficit, long lines and coupons were named by 4% of respondents each, while the Iron Curtain, economic stagnation and political repressions were named by 1% each, the Levada Center said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (21 children) You didn't address any of my questions. If this stuff is so popular, why isn't it used more? How do you propose to overcome the objections of the vast majority of Americans and Europeans, including the rich and powerful? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (20 children) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. You made a claim that you could not back up, the available empirical data opposes your claim, and yet you declare your point still stands. It does not. In a proper civil dialogue we conclude disagreements before moving on to the next wall you've thrown shit at to see what sticks. So if you want to ask questions and get them answered, then you gotta show yourself to be acting in good faith as well. This requires behaving like a normal person and not some little weasely booger who cannot admit fault or themself answer any questions - In your case you gotta either admit you were wrong, provide reasonable critique for why the data is not applicable (this of course requires you read the texts you have been given, something I doubt you will ever do, you types rarely even make it past the headline and even then it is typically only a brief skim, feverishly hunting for some sentence you can misinterpret) or provide sufficient empirical data that can help create a working hypothesis alongside the other data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (19 children) Ok great some people affected liked it. You win and have a huge penis. That does not mean it is popular here and I still don't see a way forward for it. Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. If only that were true. Unfortunately the next stop on your train is fascism not better regulation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children) ok you win There is nothing to win, we are having a discussion and you are behaving like an angry toddler, and I am asking that you behave normal in order for this conversation to be gainful. If you are not interested in dialogue, why engage in it? Just don't respond instead of wasting everyones time. That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Furthermore if you think "I win" then that does mean it is popular there. Why do you lie? Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. Completely vibes-based statement with nothing supporting it. Read Reform or Revolution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (3 children) That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Then why don't we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can't reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. I assert that that's all this will ever be. We have zero chance of this being implemented here. We do however have a chance of getting back to regulated capitalism. All we need is a new TR. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) Then why don’t we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can’t reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. For us to be able to go deeper into discussion we need to first agree on the facts that form the basis of the discussion, which we do not at the moment. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (1 child) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. This is condescending and intended to distract from the main point by being inflammatory You keep dodging because you don't have an answer. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. Nah. It can't be popular enough to work here. If it could, you would have said how. You're just diverting from that fact because you don't actually have an answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity Lmk when you want to actually make progress on anything regarding this topic and not just nitpick tediously. The main point is that there's no way to get those political systems to fly here because people don't want them currently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago this is condescending Correct, you are behaving poorly so I am treating you in kind Distracting from the main point The only one distracting from anything is you. You are the one who seeks discussion and then flees at challenge, I am holding you to it. You are now attempting to give yourself a plausible exit where you can save face, which is very funny since the only audience is you and me, yet your ego can still not handle it. Sadly the exit-strategy you've sought is ill-fitting, since both you and I are aware that you are the one who has been avoiding discussion, instead seeking to change the subject at every turn. It is no surprise that you would do something like this, you seem to be a fucking idiot. I still hold out hope you will be able to do the bare minimum, but I cannot be disappointed by you anymore. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (12 children) https://lemmy.world/comment/26373832 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (11 children) What do you feel this link provides? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (10 children) Evidence of the impracticality of what you propose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (9 children) So far the only thing I have proposed is that you are wrong about your point still standing and I have supplied additional evidence to supply this. You keep trying to argue against something else because you have a weak and prideful mind, too fragile to handle being wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) So still answer for "how will this make a political impact in the US?" But lots of ad hominem attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (4 children) God damn, Reddit shitlibs really do think that "ad-hominem" is just a magic incantation to win debates they were otherwise eating shit in permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (3 children) Ironically your comment here is also an ad hominem attack. For the 9th time, does anyone have a practical plan for getting these political plans implemented? Please do not answer with anything but that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Oh my fucking god, please learn what terms actually mean before regurgitating them everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Still no plans I see permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I have actually made 0 ad hominem so far. You are confusing "insults" with "attacking the argument through the character". Of course you wouldn't know that, halfwit that you are. The rebuttal has been presented, you have failed to engage with it, you are the one halting discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ok still no plans though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence. You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn't worked "here" whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today. Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day. So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world. permalink fedilink source parent [+] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (22 children) Your point does not stand at all, you shared an anecdote. There is no empirical data supporting your claim, in actuality the majority of the people who lived during the time of the Soviet Union say they miss it and life was better in the USSR. Gonna steal @yogthos@lemmygrad.ml comment: A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same. In no other Central or Eastern European country surveyed did so many believe that economic life is worse now than during the communist era. This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94% describe the country's economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of Central and Eastern Europe. Just 46% of Hungarians approve of their country's switch from a state-controlled economy to a market economy; 42% disapprove of the move away from communism. The public is even more negative toward Hungary's integration into Europe; 71% say their country has been weakened by the process. The most incredible result was registered in a July 2010 IRES (Romanian Institute for Evaluation and Strategy) poll, according to which 41% of the respondents would have voted for Ceausescu, had he run for the position of president. And 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism, while only 23% attested that their life was worse then. Some 68% declared that communism was a good idea, just one that had been poorly applied. Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an "illegitimate state." In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR. A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -"during the time of socialism". The survey focused on the respondents' views on the transition "from socialism to capitalism", and a clear majority said they trusted social institutions the most during the rule of Yugoslav communist president Josip Broz Tito. The standard of living during Tito's rule from the Second World War to the 1980s was also assessed as best, whereas the Milosevic decade of the 1990s, and the subsequent decade since the fall of his regime are seen as "more or less the same". 45 percent said they trusted social institutions most under communism with 23 percent choosing the 2001-2003 period when Zoran Djinđic was prime minister. Only 19 per cent selected present-day institutions. 75% of Russians have expressed increasingly positive opinions about the Soviet Union over the years. Only a small portion of those surveyed said they had negative associations with the Soviet Union. The economic deficit, long lines and coupons were named by 4% of respondents each, while the Iron Curtain, economic stagnation and political repressions were named by 1% each, the Levada Center said. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (21 children) You didn't address any of my questions. If this stuff is so popular, why isn't it used more? How do you propose to overcome the objections of the vast majority of Americans and Europeans, including the rich and powerful? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (20 children) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. You made a claim that you could not back up, the available empirical data opposes your claim, and yet you declare your point still stands. It does not. In a proper civil dialogue we conclude disagreements before moving on to the next wall you've thrown shit at to see what sticks. So if you want to ask questions and get them answered, then you gotta show yourself to be acting in good faith as well. This requires behaving like a normal person and not some little weasely booger who cannot admit fault or themself answer any questions - In your case you gotta either admit you were wrong, provide reasonable critique for why the data is not applicable (this of course requires you read the texts you have been given, something I doubt you will ever do, you types rarely even make it past the headline and even then it is typically only a brief skim, feverishly hunting for some sentence you can misinterpret) or provide sufficient empirical data that can help create a working hypothesis alongside the other data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (19 children) Ok great some people affected liked it. You win and have a huge penis. That does not mean it is popular here and I still don't see a way forward for it. Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. If only that were true. Unfortunately the next stop on your train is fascism not better regulation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children) ok you win There is nothing to win, we are having a discussion and you are behaving like an angry toddler, and I am asking that you behave normal in order for this conversation to be gainful. If you are not interested in dialogue, why engage in it? Just don't respond instead of wasting everyones time. That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Furthermore if you think "I win" then that does mean it is popular there. Why do you lie? Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. Completely vibes-based statement with nothing supporting it. Read Reform or Revolution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (3 children) That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Then why don't we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can't reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. I assert that that's all this will ever be. We have zero chance of this being implemented here. We do however have a chance of getting back to regulated capitalism. All we need is a new TR. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) Then why don’t we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can’t reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. For us to be able to go deeper into discussion we need to first agree on the facts that form the basis of the discussion, which we do not at the moment. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (1 child) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. This is condescending and intended to distract from the main point by being inflammatory You keep dodging because you don't have an answer. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. Nah. It can't be popular enough to work here. If it could, you would have said how. You're just diverting from that fact because you don't actually have an answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity Lmk when you want to actually make progress on anything regarding this topic and not just nitpick tediously. The main point is that there's no way to get those political systems to fly here because people don't want them currently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago this is condescending Correct, you are behaving poorly so I am treating you in kind Distracting from the main point The only one distracting from anything is you. You are the one who seeks discussion and then flees at challenge, I am holding you to it. You are now attempting to give yourself a plausible exit where you can save face, which is very funny since the only audience is you and me, yet your ego can still not handle it. Sadly the exit-strategy you've sought is ill-fitting, since both you and I are aware that you are the one who has been avoiding discussion, instead seeking to change the subject at every turn. It is no surprise that you would do something like this, you seem to be a fucking idiot. I still hold out hope you will be able to do the bare minimum, but I cannot be disappointed by you anymore. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (12 children) https://lemmy.world/comment/26373832 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (11 children) What do you feel this link provides? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (10 children) Evidence of the impracticality of what you propose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (9 children) So far the only thing I have proposed is that you are wrong about your point still standing and I have supplied additional evidence to supply this. You keep trying to argue against something else because you have a weak and prideful mind, too fragile to handle being wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) So still answer for "how will this make a political impact in the US?" But lots of ad hominem attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (4 children) God damn, Reddit shitlibs really do think that "ad-hominem" is just a magic incantation to win debates they were otherwise eating shit in permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (3 children) Ironically your comment here is also an ad hominem attack. For the 9th time, does anyone have a practical plan for getting these political plans implemented? Please do not answer with anything but that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Oh my fucking god, please learn what terms actually mean before regurgitating them everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Still no plans I see permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I have actually made 0 ad hominem so far. You are confusing "insults" with "attacking the argument through the character". Of course you wouldn't know that, halfwit that you are. The rebuttal has been presented, you have failed to engage with it, you are the one halting discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ok still no plans though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence. You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn't worked "here" whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today. Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day. So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (21 children) You didn't address any of my questions. If this stuff is so popular, why isn't it used more? How do you propose to overcome the objections of the vast majority of Americans and Europeans, including the rich and powerful? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (20 children) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. You made a claim that you could not back up, the available empirical data opposes your claim, and yet you declare your point still stands. It does not. In a proper civil dialogue we conclude disagreements before moving on to the next wall you've thrown shit at to see what sticks. So if you want to ask questions and get them answered, then you gotta show yourself to be acting in good faith as well. This requires behaving like a normal person and not some little weasely booger who cannot admit fault or themself answer any questions - In your case you gotta either admit you were wrong, provide reasonable critique for why the data is not applicable (this of course requires you read the texts you have been given, something I doubt you will ever do, you types rarely even make it past the headline and even then it is typically only a brief skim, feverishly hunting for some sentence you can misinterpret) or provide sufficient empirical data that can help create a working hypothesis alongside the other data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (19 children) Ok great some people affected liked it. You win and have a huge penis. That does not mean it is popular here and I still don't see a way forward for it. Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. If only that were true. Unfortunately the next stop on your train is fascism not better regulation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children) ok you win There is nothing to win, we are having a discussion and you are behaving like an angry toddler, and I am asking that you behave normal in order for this conversation to be gainful. If you are not interested in dialogue, why engage in it? Just don't respond instead of wasting everyones time. That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Furthermore if you think "I win" then that does mean it is popular there. Why do you lie? Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. Completely vibes-based statement with nothing supporting it. Read Reform or Revolution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (3 children) That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Then why don't we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can't reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. I assert that that's all this will ever be. We have zero chance of this being implemented here. We do however have a chance of getting back to regulated capitalism. All we need is a new TR. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) Then why don’t we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can’t reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. For us to be able to go deeper into discussion we need to first agree on the facts that form the basis of the discussion, which we do not at the moment. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (1 child) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. This is condescending and intended to distract from the main point by being inflammatory You keep dodging because you don't have an answer. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. Nah. It can't be popular enough to work here. If it could, you would have said how. You're just diverting from that fact because you don't actually have an answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity Lmk when you want to actually make progress on anything regarding this topic and not just nitpick tediously. The main point is that there's no way to get those political systems to fly here because people don't want them currently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago this is condescending Correct, you are behaving poorly so I am treating you in kind Distracting from the main point The only one distracting from anything is you. You are the one who seeks discussion and then flees at challenge, I am holding you to it. You are now attempting to give yourself a plausible exit where you can save face, which is very funny since the only audience is you and me, yet your ego can still not handle it. Sadly the exit-strategy you've sought is ill-fitting, since both you and I are aware that you are the one who has been avoiding discussion, instead seeking to change the subject at every turn. It is no surprise that you would do something like this, you seem to be a fucking idiot. I still hold out hope you will be able to do the bare minimum, but I cannot be disappointed by you anymore. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (12 children) https://lemmy.world/comment/26373832 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (11 children) What do you feel this link provides? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (10 children) Evidence of the impracticality of what you propose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (9 children) So far the only thing I have proposed is that you are wrong about your point still standing and I have supplied additional evidence to supply this. You keep trying to argue against something else because you have a weak and prideful mind, too fragile to handle being wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) So still answer for "how will this make a political impact in the US?" But lots of ad hominem attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (4 children) God damn, Reddit shitlibs really do think that "ad-hominem" is just a magic incantation to win debates they were otherwise eating shit in permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (3 children) Ironically your comment here is also an ad hominem attack. For the 9th time, does anyone have a practical plan for getting these political plans implemented? Please do not answer with anything but that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Oh my fucking god, please learn what terms actually mean before regurgitating them everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Still no plans I see permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I have actually made 0 ad hominem so far. You are confusing "insults" with "attacking the argument through the character". Of course you wouldn't know that, halfwit that you are. The rebuttal has been presented, you have failed to engage with it, you are the one halting discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ok still no plans though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence. You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn't worked "here" whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today. Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day. So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (20 children) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. You made a claim that you could not back up, the available empirical data opposes your claim, and yet you declare your point still stands. It does not. In a proper civil dialogue we conclude disagreements before moving on to the next wall you've thrown shit at to see what sticks. So if you want to ask questions and get them answered, then you gotta show yourself to be acting in good faith as well. This requires behaving like a normal person and not some little weasely booger who cannot admit fault or themself answer any questions - In your case you gotta either admit you were wrong, provide reasonable critique for why the data is not applicable (this of course requires you read the texts you have been given, something I doubt you will ever do, you types rarely even make it past the headline and even then it is typically only a brief skim, feverishly hunting for some sentence you can misinterpret) or provide sufficient empirical data that can help create a working hypothesis alongside the other data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (19 children) Ok great some people affected liked it. You win and have a huge penis. That does not mean it is popular here and I still don't see a way forward for it. Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. If only that were true. Unfortunately the next stop on your train is fascism not better regulation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children) ok you win There is nothing to win, we are having a discussion and you are behaving like an angry toddler, and I am asking that you behave normal in order for this conversation to be gainful. If you are not interested in dialogue, why engage in it? Just don't respond instead of wasting everyones time. That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Furthermore if you think "I win" then that does mean it is popular there. Why do you lie? Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. Completely vibes-based statement with nothing supporting it. Read Reform or Revolution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (3 children) That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Then why don't we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can't reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. I assert that that's all this will ever be. We have zero chance of this being implemented here. We do however have a chance of getting back to regulated capitalism. All we need is a new TR. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) Then why don’t we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can’t reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. For us to be able to go deeper into discussion we need to first agree on the facts that form the basis of the discussion, which we do not at the moment. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (1 child) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. This is condescending and intended to distract from the main point by being inflammatory You keep dodging because you don't have an answer. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. Nah. It can't be popular enough to work here. If it could, you would have said how. You're just diverting from that fact because you don't actually have an answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity Lmk when you want to actually make progress on anything regarding this topic and not just nitpick tediously. The main point is that there's no way to get those political systems to fly here because people don't want them currently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago this is condescending Correct, you are behaving poorly so I am treating you in kind Distracting from the main point The only one distracting from anything is you. You are the one who seeks discussion and then flees at challenge, I am holding you to it. You are now attempting to give yourself a plausible exit where you can save face, which is very funny since the only audience is you and me, yet your ego can still not handle it. Sadly the exit-strategy you've sought is ill-fitting, since both you and I are aware that you are the one who has been avoiding discussion, instead seeking to change the subject at every turn. It is no surprise that you would do something like this, you seem to be a fucking idiot. I still hold out hope you will be able to do the bare minimum, but I cannot be disappointed by you anymore. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (12 children) https://lemmy.world/comment/26373832 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (11 children) What do you feel this link provides? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (10 children) Evidence of the impracticality of what you propose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (9 children) So far the only thing I have proposed is that you are wrong about your point still standing and I have supplied additional evidence to supply this. You keep trying to argue against something else because you have a weak and prideful mind, too fragile to handle being wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) So still answer for "how will this make a political impact in the US?" But lots of ad hominem attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (4 children) God damn, Reddit shitlibs really do think that "ad-hominem" is just a magic incantation to win debates they were otherwise eating shit in permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (3 children) Ironically your comment here is also an ad hominem attack. For the 9th time, does anyone have a practical plan for getting these political plans implemented? Please do not answer with anything but that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Oh my fucking god, please learn what terms actually mean before regurgitating them everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Still no plans I see permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I have actually made 0 ad hominem so far. You are confusing "insults" with "attacking the argument through the character". Of course you wouldn't know that, halfwit that you are. The rebuttal has been presented, you have failed to engage with it, you are the one halting discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ok still no plans though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence. You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn't worked "here" whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today. Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day. So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bloviate@lemmus.org -3 points 1 week ago (19 children) Ok great some people affected liked it. You win and have a huge penis. That does not mean it is popular here and I still don't see a way forward for it. Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. If only that were true. Unfortunately the next stop on your train is fascism not better regulation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children) ok you win There is nothing to win, we are having a discussion and you are behaving like an angry toddler, and I am asking that you behave normal in order for this conversation to be gainful. If you are not interested in dialogue, why engage in it? Just don't respond instead of wasting everyones time. That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Furthermore if you think "I win" then that does mean it is popular there. Why do you lie? Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. Completely vibes-based statement with nothing supporting it. Read Reform or Revolution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (3 children) That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Then why don't we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can't reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. I assert that that's all this will ever be. We have zero chance of this being implemented here. We do however have a chance of getting back to regulated capitalism. All we need is a new TR. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) Then why don’t we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can’t reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. For us to be able to go deeper into discussion we need to first agree on the facts that form the basis of the discussion, which we do not at the moment. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (1 child) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. This is condescending and intended to distract from the main point by being inflammatory You keep dodging because you don't have an answer. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. Nah. It can't be popular enough to work here. If it could, you would have said how. You're just diverting from that fact because you don't actually have an answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity Lmk when you want to actually make progress on anything regarding this topic and not just nitpick tediously. The main point is that there's no way to get those political systems to fly here because people don't want them currently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago this is condescending Correct, you are behaving poorly so I am treating you in kind Distracting from the main point The only one distracting from anything is you. You are the one who seeks discussion and then flees at challenge, I am holding you to it. You are now attempting to give yourself a plausible exit where you can save face, which is very funny since the only audience is you and me, yet your ego can still not handle it. Sadly the exit-strategy you've sought is ill-fitting, since both you and I are aware that you are the one who has been avoiding discussion, instead seeking to change the subject at every turn. It is no surprise that you would do something like this, you seem to be a fucking idiot. I still hold out hope you will be able to do the bare minimum, but I cannot be disappointed by you anymore. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (12 children) https://lemmy.world/comment/26373832 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (11 children) What do you feel this link provides? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (10 children) Evidence of the impracticality of what you propose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (9 children) So far the only thing I have proposed is that you are wrong about your point still standing and I have supplied additional evidence to supply this. You keep trying to argue against something else because you have a weak and prideful mind, too fragile to handle being wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) So still answer for "how will this make a political impact in the US?" But lots of ad hominem attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (4 children) God damn, Reddit shitlibs really do think that "ad-hominem" is just a magic incantation to win debates they were otherwise eating shit in permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (3 children) Ironically your comment here is also an ad hominem attack. For the 9th time, does anyone have a practical plan for getting these political plans implemented? Please do not answer with anything but that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Oh my fucking god, please learn what terms actually mean before regurgitating them everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Still no plans I see permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I have actually made 0 ad hominem so far. You are confusing "insults" with "attacking the argument through the character". Of course you wouldn't know that, halfwit that you are. The rebuttal has been presented, you have failed to engage with it, you are the one halting discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ok still no plans though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence. You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn't worked "here" whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today. Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day. So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gualudengren@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. If only that were true. Unfortunately the next stop on your train is fascism not better regulation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children) ok you win There is nothing to win, we are having a discussion and you are behaving like an angry toddler, and I am asking that you behave normal in order for this conversation to be gainful. If you are not interested in dialogue, why engage in it? Just don't respond instead of wasting everyones time. That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Furthermore if you think "I win" then that does mean it is popular there. Why do you lie? Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections. Completely vibes-based statement with nothing supporting it. Read Reform or Revolution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (3 children) That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Then why don't we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can't reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. I assert that that's all this will ever be. We have zero chance of this being implemented here. We do however have a chance of getting back to regulated capitalism. All we need is a new TR. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) Then why don’t we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can’t reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. For us to be able to go deeper into discussion we need to first agree on the facts that form the basis of the discussion, which we do not at the moment. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (1 child) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. This is condescending and intended to distract from the main point by being inflammatory You keep dodging because you don't have an answer. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. Nah. It can't be popular enough to work here. If it could, you would have said how. You're just diverting from that fact because you don't actually have an answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity Lmk when you want to actually make progress on anything regarding this topic and not just nitpick tediously. The main point is that there's no way to get those political systems to fly here because people don't want them currently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago this is condescending Correct, you are behaving poorly so I am treating you in kind Distracting from the main point The only one distracting from anything is you. You are the one who seeks discussion and then flees at challenge, I am holding you to it. You are now attempting to give yourself a plausible exit where you can save face, which is very funny since the only audience is you and me, yet your ego can still not handle it. Sadly the exit-strategy you've sought is ill-fitting, since both you and I are aware that you are the one who has been avoiding discussion, instead seeking to change the subject at every turn. It is no surprise that you would do something like this, you seem to be a fucking idiot. I still hold out hope you will be able to do the bare minimum, but I cannot be disappointed by you anymore. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (12 children) https://lemmy.world/comment/26373832 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (11 children) What do you feel this link provides? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (10 children) Evidence of the impracticality of what you propose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (9 children) So far the only thing I have proposed is that you are wrong about your point still standing and I have supplied additional evidence to supply this. You keep trying to argue against something else because you have a weak and prideful mind, too fragile to handle being wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) So still answer for "how will this make a political impact in the US?" But lots of ad hominem attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (4 children) God damn, Reddit shitlibs really do think that "ad-hominem" is just a magic incantation to win debates they were otherwise eating shit in permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (3 children) Ironically your comment here is also an ad hominem attack. For the 9th time, does anyone have a practical plan for getting these political plans implemented? Please do not answer with anything but that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Oh my fucking god, please learn what terms actually mean before regurgitating them everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Still no plans I see permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I have actually made 0 ad hominem so far. You are confusing "insults" with "attacking the argument through the character". Of course you wouldn't know that, halfwit that you are. The rebuttal has been presented, you have failed to engage with it, you are the one halting discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ok still no plans though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence. You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn't worked "here" whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today. Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day. So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (3 children) That does not mean it is popular here Factually untrue, as the data shows. Then why don't we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can't reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. I assert that that's all this will ever be. We have zero chance of this being implemented here. We do however have a chance of getting back to regulated capitalism. All we need is a new TR. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) Then why don’t we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can’t reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. For us to be able to go deeper into discussion we need to first agree on the facts that form the basis of the discussion, which we do not at the moment. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (1 child) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. This is condescending and intended to distract from the main point by being inflammatory You keep dodging because you don't have an answer. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. Nah. It can't be popular enough to work here. If it could, you would have said how. You're just diverting from that fact because you don't actually have an answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity Lmk when you want to actually make progress on anything regarding this topic and not just nitpick tediously. The main point is that there's no way to get those political systems to fly here because people don't want them currently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago this is condescending Correct, you are behaving poorly so I am treating you in kind Distracting from the main point The only one distracting from anything is you. You are the one who seeks discussion and then flees at challenge, I am holding you to it. You are now attempting to give yourself a plausible exit where you can save face, which is very funny since the only audience is you and me, yet your ego can still not handle it. Sadly the exit-strategy you've sought is ill-fitting, since both you and I are aware that you are the one who has been avoiding discussion, instead seeking to change the subject at every turn. It is no surprise that you would do something like this, you seem to be a fucking idiot. I still hold out hope you will be able to do the bare minimum, but I cannot be disappointed by you anymore. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) Then why don’t we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can’t reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk. Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. For us to be able to go deeper into discussion we need to first agree on the facts that form the basis of the discussion, which we do not at the moment. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (1 child) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. This is condescending and intended to distract from the main point by being inflammatory You keep dodging because you don't have an answer. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. Nah. It can't be popular enough to work here. If it could, you would have said how. You're just diverting from that fact because you don't actually have an answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity Lmk when you want to actually make progress on anything regarding this topic and not just nitpick tediously. The main point is that there's no way to get those political systems to fly here because people don't want them currently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago this is condescending Correct, you are behaving poorly so I am treating you in kind Distracting from the main point The only one distracting from anything is you. You are the one who seeks discussion and then flees at challenge, I am holding you to it. You are now attempting to give yourself a plausible exit where you can save face, which is very funny since the only audience is you and me, yet your ego can still not handle it. Sadly the exit-strategy you've sought is ill-fitting, since both you and I are aware that you are the one who has been avoiding discussion, instead seeking to change the subject at every turn. It is no surprise that you would do something like this, you seem to be a fucking idiot. I still hold out hope you will be able to do the bare minimum, but I cannot be disappointed by you anymore. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (1 child) Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. This is condescending and intended to distract from the main point by being inflammatory You keep dodging because you don't have an answer. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal. As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this. Nah. It can't be popular enough to work here. If it could, you would have said how. You're just diverting from that fact because you don't actually have an answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity Lmk when you want to actually make progress on anything regarding this topic and not just nitpick tediously. The main point is that there's no way to get those political systems to fly here because people don't want them currently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago this is condescending Correct, you are behaving poorly so I am treating you in kind Distracting from the main point The only one distracting from anything is you. You are the one who seeks discussion and then flees at challenge, I am holding you to it. You are now attempting to give yourself a plausible exit where you can save face, which is very funny since the only audience is you and me, yet your ego can still not handle it. Sadly the exit-strategy you've sought is ill-fitting, since both you and I are aware that you are the one who has been avoiding discussion, instead seeking to change the subject at every turn. It is no surprise that you would do something like this, you seem to be a fucking idiot. I still hold out hope you will be able to do the bare minimum, but I cannot be disappointed by you anymore. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago this is condescending Correct, you are behaving poorly so I am treating you in kind Distracting from the main point The only one distracting from anything is you. You are the one who seeks discussion and then flees at challenge, I am holding you to it. You are now attempting to give yourself a plausible exit where you can save face, which is very funny since the only audience is you and me, yet your ego can still not handle it. Sadly the exit-strategy you've sought is ill-fitting, since both you and I are aware that you are the one who has been avoiding discussion, instead seeking to change the subject at every turn. It is no surprise that you would do something like this, you seem to be a fucking idiot. I still hold out hope you will be able to do the bare minimum, but I cannot be disappointed by you anymore. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (12 children) https://lemmy.world/comment/26373832 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (11 children) What do you feel this link provides? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (10 children) Evidence of the impracticality of what you propose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (9 children) So far the only thing I have proposed is that you are wrong about your point still standing and I have supplied additional evidence to supply this. You keep trying to argue against something else because you have a weak and prideful mind, too fragile to handle being wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) So still answer for "how will this make a political impact in the US?" But lots of ad hominem attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (4 children) God damn, Reddit shitlibs really do think that "ad-hominem" is just a magic incantation to win debates they were otherwise eating shit in permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (3 children) Ironically your comment here is also an ad hominem attack. For the 9th time, does anyone have a practical plan for getting these political plans implemented? Please do not answer with anything but that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Oh my fucking god, please learn what terms actually mean before regurgitating them everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Still no plans I see permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I have actually made 0 ad hominem so far. You are confusing "insults" with "attacking the argument through the character". Of course you wouldn't know that, halfwit that you are. The rebuttal has been presented, you have failed to engage with it, you are the one halting discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ok still no plans though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence. You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn't worked "here" whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today. Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day. So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (11 children) What do you feel this link provides? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (10 children) Evidence of the impracticality of what you propose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (9 children) So far the only thing I have proposed is that you are wrong about your point still standing and I have supplied additional evidence to supply this. You keep trying to argue against something else because you have a weak and prideful mind, too fragile to handle being wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) So still answer for "how will this make a political impact in the US?" But lots of ad hominem attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (4 children) God damn, Reddit shitlibs really do think that "ad-hominem" is just a magic incantation to win debates they were otherwise eating shit in permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (3 children) Ironically your comment here is also an ad hominem attack. For the 9th time, does anyone have a practical plan for getting these political plans implemented? Please do not answer with anything but that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Oh my fucking god, please learn what terms actually mean before regurgitating them everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Still no plans I see permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I have actually made 0 ad hominem so far. You are confusing "insults" with "attacking the argument through the character". Of course you wouldn't know that, halfwit that you are. The rebuttal has been presented, you have failed to engage with it, you are the one halting discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ok still no plans though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence. You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn't worked "here" whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today. Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day. So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (10 children) Evidence of the impracticality of what you propose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (9 children) So far the only thing I have proposed is that you are wrong about your point still standing and I have supplied additional evidence to supply this. You keep trying to argue against something else because you have a weak and prideful mind, too fragile to handle being wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) So still answer for "how will this make a political impact in the US?" But lots of ad hominem attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (4 children) God damn, Reddit shitlibs really do think that "ad-hominem" is just a magic incantation to win debates they were otherwise eating shit in permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (3 children) Ironically your comment here is also an ad hominem attack. For the 9th time, does anyone have a practical plan for getting these political plans implemented? Please do not answer with anything but that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Oh my fucking god, please learn what terms actually mean before regurgitating them everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Still no plans I see permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I have actually made 0 ad hominem so far. You are confusing "insults" with "attacking the argument through the character". Of course you wouldn't know that, halfwit that you are. The rebuttal has been presented, you have failed to engage with it, you are the one halting discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ok still no plans though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence. You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn't worked "here" whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today. Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day. So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (9 children) So far the only thing I have proposed is that you are wrong about your point still standing and I have supplied additional evidence to supply this. You keep trying to argue against something else because you have a weak and prideful mind, too fragile to handle being wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) So still answer for "how will this make a political impact in the US?" But lots of ad hominem attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (4 children) God damn, Reddit shitlibs really do think that "ad-hominem" is just a magic incantation to win debates they were otherwise eating shit in permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (3 children) Ironically your comment here is also an ad hominem attack. For the 9th time, does anyone have a practical plan for getting these political plans implemented? Please do not answer with anything but that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Oh my fucking god, please learn what terms actually mean before regurgitating them everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Still no plans I see permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I have actually made 0 ad hominem so far. You are confusing "insults" with "attacking the argument through the character". Of course you wouldn't know that, halfwit that you are. The rebuttal has been presented, you have failed to engage with it, you are the one halting discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ok still no plans though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence. You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn't worked "here" whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today. Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day. So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) So still answer for "how will this make a political impact in the US?" But lots of ad hominem attacks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (4 children) God damn, Reddit shitlibs really do think that "ad-hominem" is just a magic incantation to win debates they were otherwise eating shit in permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (3 children) Ironically your comment here is also an ad hominem attack. For the 9th time, does anyone have a practical plan for getting these political plans implemented? Please do not answer with anything but that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Oh my fucking god, please learn what terms actually mean before regurgitating them everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Still no plans I see permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I have actually made 0 ad hominem so far. You are confusing "insults" with "attacking the argument through the character". Of course you wouldn't know that, halfwit that you are. The rebuttal has been presented, you have failed to engage with it, you are the one halting discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ok still no plans though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence. You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn't worked "here" whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today. Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day. So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (4 children) God damn, Reddit shitlibs really do think that "ad-hominem" is just a magic incantation to win debates they were otherwise eating shit in permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (3 children) Ironically your comment here is also an ad hominem attack. For the 9th time, does anyone have a practical plan for getting these political plans implemented? Please do not answer with anything but that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Oh my fucking god, please learn what terms actually mean before regurgitating them everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Still no plans I see permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (3 children) Ironically your comment here is also an ad hominem attack. For the 9th time, does anyone have a practical plan for getting these political plans implemented? Please do not answer with anything but that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Oh my fucking god, please learn what terms actually mean before regurgitating them everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Still no plans I see permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (2 children) Oh my fucking god, please learn what terms actually mean before regurgitating them everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Still no plans I see permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Still no plans I see permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I have actually made 0 ad hominem so far. You are confusing "insults" with "attacking the argument through the character". Of course you wouldn't know that, halfwit that you are. The rebuttal has been presented, you have failed to engage with it, you are the one halting discussion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ok still no plans though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence. You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn't worked "here" whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today. Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day. So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bloviate@lemmus.org -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) Ok still no plans though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence. You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn't worked "here" whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today. Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day. So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence. You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn't worked "here" whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today. Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day. So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world. permalink fedilink source parent
