cross-posted from: https://literature.cafe/post/30387402

@threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works

Ik that there used to be Diagonlemmy, but, IMHO, we should create an instance that is exclusive to Harry Potter, and the Wizarding World.


Perhaps call the instance Wizarding.World, or something.

That way, Fediverse users who wish to interact with Harry Potter material can, and other users/instances/etc, can defederate/don't have to.


Harry Potter is only going to become more popular.

The HBO Harry Potter series is coming. Whether we like it or not, the HP fandom is about to have a significant resurgence, and it's going to find a home somewhere on the internet.


The question is whether that somewhere is Reddit, Discord, and corporate platforms — or whether the Fediverse gets there first and shapes what that community looks like.

People flock to spaces where they feel familiar and welcomed.


Rowling will profit from HP whether a Lemmy instance exists or not.

The Fediverse needs more projects that make immediate sense to people, and it needs to stop ceding entire fandoms to corporate platforms by default.


The move isn't to reject the fandom.

The move is to build the instance with explicit values — pro-trans, pro-queer, progressive moderation, zero tolerance for bigotry.

Pull HP fans into federated, open spaces and surround them with those values.

That's far more powerful than gatekeeping.


I shared this, because I wanted to know what the general consensus was.

Also if there were any users who might have any experience with potentially creating/running their own instance.

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[–] 33 points 6 months ago (16 children)

Why would this decision require a public feedback sesh? Build it and they will come. Or they won't because they read some stuff about the author.

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    [–] 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)
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    Be prepared to be defederated from almost immediately as it opens by people... as well, as an instance admin, I can say it is hard. Even for a small instance. As well, people are just going to downvote your instances content as soon as its posted. The only reason we have the harry potter community still on literature.cafe is because its dead and most posts to it are critique of the TERF JK Rowling and the series, if it was positive content we'd likely have to delete it.

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    [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    What's interesting about this, is you post it as if it's a question, and despite getting an almost universal "Fuck no" as the answer to the question, you're just arguing that we should do it.

    If you want to do it, do it. But stop looking for validation for it. You're asking for approval to celebrate and recognise someone who actively targets and harms trans people. You're not going to get that approval. So either take that as the answer, or stop pretending it was ever a question.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Sure, it could be good. However...

    • Who is going to host it?
    • Who is going to spend all that effort building the community?
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    Who is "we"? If you want to do it, no one is stopping you.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    As long as it’s okay to criticize homophobia and transphobia JK Rowling spews, I say go for it.

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    [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I find it amazing that JKR pretty much gets a free pass when someone like Gaiman is so me-too-ed that people online throw out his books and trash his mostly progressive history. Just imagine the condemnation if someone suggested a Gaiman community. Weird, subjective times we live in.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I mean this thread does have -27 downvotes

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Rightly so. I'm probably over-egging it. But there are still many people who should know better willing to give JKR a pass. Look at how excited people are online about a shoddy Amazon remake of the movies. Could you imagine anyone even considering a Gaiman show at this point?

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago*

    No. We don't need a new instance for every mass media piece of shit. Definitely not scumbag HP.

    Make an instance for Hoppers first. I hear it's actually good.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    If you want to.

    I think it makes sense to follow the Star Trek instance and just have local communities centered around Harry Potter while allowing federation with everything else.

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    [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    I mean I can think of ip that makes more sense for its own instance. star trek comes to mind.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    The Harry Potter franchise is pretty expansive, so even if this next series is a major flop, I have my doubts the series will alone be able to burn all the goodwill in the franchise, leaving plenty still to be discussed.

    Also, I like the idea of forums focused on specific niches, but having seen isolated ones multiple times shrink into irrelevance, being federated should help give it a bigger life span. Also wouldn't be the first focused instance I see around. So on this point, I also defend the creation of a Harry Potter instance.

    Just don't know how protective the companies involved with the Harry Potter brand are towards it, so hopefully a site that presents itself as purely a discussion forum among fans won't be stepping in anyone's toes.

    And about the fediverse not liking Harry Potter as someone commented, such perception feels awfully like centralization, in this case on ideas. So another reason to have a focused forum, so people may be more comfortable enjoying and discussing what they want, instead of falling into a silence spiral to not be the perceived majority's enemies. And as you proposed, those that don't like are free to block/defederate.

    And about software, might I suggest an hybrid one, so people on both threadiverse and microblog platforms may be able to interact? Dunno how Piefed fares on that front (I keep forgetting to check) and Lemmy is kinda isolated by their design philosophy.

    But back on creating an instance, now that at the end I reread the other comments, it's a task, requiring resources, interest and time someone may not have. So if asking for one to be created by others is likely be a short-lived idea.

    So good luck on finding anyone then.

    Or maybe also you'd be interested in reading the responses to a question I made in a self-hosting community, if you want to do it yourself but don't know where to start:
    https://thebrainbin.org/m/selfhosted@lemmy.world/t/1513112/What-to-study-to-be-able-to-host-a-site

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    While I like him as a player I feel it is better to just post to the rugby community .

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 6 months ago

    @threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children)

    People can like and love Harry Potter without endorsing or even being aware of Rowling and her views.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It puts money into her pocket and enables her to spread her hate.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I think it does that only when you're actively supporting new work.

    As in, I've never seen anyone publicly demonize someone else for using the term Lovecraftian or discussing his influence on literature.

    But if you purchased a new publication called "The Infallible Brilliance of HP Lovecraft" it'd be really suspicious lol

    I think it's enough to criticize the author and their work in hindsight when we find evidence of their prejudice inside it, without it meaning that everyone who's ever enjoyed the fiction is an evil demon person (especially ones who were impressionable kids at the time). Same for Good Omens.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    The move isn’t to reject the fandom.

    The move is to build the instance with explicit values — pro-trans, pro-queer, progressive moderation, zero tolerance for bigotry.

    This feels like building a forum to discuss Mein Kamph, and then saying it's going to moderated with a focus on inclusion, human rights, and diversity.

    With the whole HP thing, there are IMO far too many people fully separating the art and the artist. I just can't morally do that.

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