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[–] 62 points 4 months ago

It's difficult to get a man to learn a lesson when his paycheck depends on him not learning it.

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  • [–] 59 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    So the big argument seems to be that the nebulously defined here "working class", or rather people who explicitly consider themselves such, don't want things that the GOP has been demonizing for decades?

    This is just an argument for dems to be more right to appeal to Republican voters. One of the citations is a link to an essay written by the senior editor of the American conservative.

    What a worthless article.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    That’s how I interpreted this as well.

    Either that, or it reads that working class Americans aren’t very good people.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I used to think that but have come to the conclusion in recent years that people act the way they do because their lives are genuinely terrible and there is no possibility of them becoming better because there is nowhere for them to go. For those with great motivation, great intelligence, or great connections, there are plenty of things to do. For the average person brought up in and living in an average way, though, there is nothing but generational pain.

    Sadly, most people don't have enough imagination to consider how things could be better for them or everyone.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    For the average person brought up in and living in an average way, though, there is nothing but generational pain.

    And despite this, they seem hell-bent on perpetuating said generational pain.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago*

    Well what do they have to lose? And maybe with accelerationism something will change for them. Theres more hope there than in limping the status quo along. I keep hearing people on lemmy say you are either voting Dem or voting republican and theres nothing in between. But not voting in an attempt to hold the dems hostage for once is a possible choice too, and its as calculated and strategic as lesser evili-sm is.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    This is also my takeaway. Moving to fascistic leaders is just an expression of overwhelming pain.

    It’s similar to Weimar Germany. Shame and economic dislocation are enormously powerful motivators.

    If you’ll give me some rope, I think the Democratic Party has lost their constituency because they have made two errors:

    1. Following Reagan, they tried to chase Republican voters by abandoning working class policies, disenfranchising workers and increasing inequality. Now, older people run the Democratic Party and they fail to see how much the landscape has changed since they were initially elected.
    2. There are not many Democrats that harness anger. Anger is addictive and enthralling. The party instead promotes loyalists, policy wonks, technocrats, and extremely ineffective consultants. This has not paid off but their donors demand this sort of management.

    Dang.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I also think that the Democratic party is lead by people who are among the elite and have no real connection to the average person. The GOP doesn't either but they tell a story that will compel those with enlarged amygdalas.

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  • [+] 41 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (9 children)
  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago*

    I think they do understand. They just are unwilling to acknowledge it because then they would be expected to change, which would upset the corpos and billionaires.

    This is willful ignorance

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago

    What a strange way to say everyone, politicians have lost touch with people due to the constant infighting and across the aisle bullshit along with the temptation of easy money and no one can take control of the monsters they created.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago

    "For every working class democrat we lose, we'll get 2 or 3 moderate republicans in the suburbs" -Chuck Schumer, 2016

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    We just had governor elections in California and not one candidate was picked by the democrats to lead the charge. They don't care

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    Don't get? More like don't care

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago*

    What an absurd, right-wing article. The author clearly doesn't understand it either.

    But even where working-class voters nominally agree with a Democratic policy goal, they don’t trust the institution being asked to deliver it – a distrust decades in the making.

    This undermines the entire thesis that the Democrats "moved too far left" and that's what alienated the working class. How can it possibly be the case that that's the problem, if the Democrats are distrusted even when they align on policy?

    The idea that Democrats are too focused on class, or have been historically, is just ridiculous, and relies on cherry-picking to an absurd degree. A handful of Democrats have recently begun talking about class, which is highly controversial within the party and goes against the party establishment. The article even goes so far as to cherry-pick Graham Platner, who hasn't even been elected! How is it possible that this recent trend in rhetoric could be responsible for "a distrust decades in the making?"

    Meanwhile, the author's approach of moving right to appeal to this perceived silent majority has been the accepted, conventional wisdom during the very decades that the distrust was made! If this approach was actually effective, then where are the results to show for it?

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Nope! Most all everyone just reacts to headlines and doesn’t even click through.

    I guess I’m just a coastal elite, but I didn’t find the argument that Dems have tacked left and the electorate has stayed the same particularly compelling. The part about the working class identity was annoying — there’s so many people who want to think of themselves as some kind of merchant or artisan class that I don’t think really exists, and they would be much better off if they realized that if you live off the income you get from your work, you’re working class. Overall, I didn’t find the analysis persuasive.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    I agree. The author presents a thesis that Democrats have tracked left, and then presents two issues where they have (abortion, job guarantees), one issue where they have returned to where they were in 1990 and the working class has tracked right (healthcare), and then just an identity question (liberal) which is not actually an issue. It's far from a comprehensive data analysis.

    The author misses out on a huge area where Democrats (and the left in general) have consistently gotten worse at: communication and persuasion. Part of this is the failure of the Democrats to identify, push, and promote charismatic candidates (find a single human being who feels more excited about left ideas after hearing Pelosi, Jeffries, or Schumer talk). The other big part is the concentration of media power in fewer organizations and more ideologically right owners. Even more, the party of the young whiffed on social media entirely which could have lessened the impact of the latter part.

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  • [–] 52 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Almost every American is working class. Part of the problem is using "working class" to mean "blue collar workers and poor people".

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    Absolutely.

    If most of your income comes from selling your labor, you're working class.

    If most of your income comes from owning things, you're owning class.

    That's it. It's that simple. And yes, that means that in some cases, some working class people are actually wealthier than some owning class people. A movie star or star athlete or even a specialized surgeon might have more money than a small-time landlord, but they work for their money, while the landlord gets money simply from owning a few properties. The former is working class, the latter is owning class.

    And no, there's no such thing as 'middle class'. That's a lie made up to pacify people. The only other class is the underclass -- people who have little or no income at all. Prisoners, the homeless, the institutionalized, etc.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    How is a 2 car garage not working class exactly?

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Its a terminally online attempt at shifting the overton window of what it means to be "working class".

    I've seen a similar attack on Platner, that because their mom owns a restaurant, that means they aren't working class. Its a perspective utterly detached from reality.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    This idea that anyone who has enough wealth to be above the poverty line is "not working class" and "an unreliable ally" is straight out of Stalinism and one I see pretty frequently in lefty circles. Have a house? A paid-off car? A business? You're a filthy kulak.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Tankies are very susceptible to that, sure.

    They often fall into the trap of seeing 'working class' as more of an aesthetic than as a way of relating to capital. Which is why they'll fawn over construction workers and coal miners, but dismiss baristas and office workers.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago*

    A lot of places have relatively cheap housing with two car garages which are owned by the working class.

    Let's not lose sight here. The enemy is the upper class (typically billionaires, but a lot of time this includes politicians), and they want the lower class divided and shitting on each other so that they can do whatever they want in the meantime.

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    [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    They do know, they don't care.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Because stupid. My dog can choose correctly between 1 cookie and 2. These people either chose worse or just noped out.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Oh there you go bringing class into it again . . .

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Who is like -- "Trump's gonna turn the planet into a pile of ash, but I can't see voting the other way."

    Yea it sucks but if you can't see a substantial difference, wow.

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