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[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 153 points 1 month ago (5 children)

People see this and think "AI is just generating a bunch of useless slop."

What they need to be thinking about is how much of our environment was destroyed to produce this useless slop.

Like, imagine all of those bullshit cheap plastic nic nacs that flood our oceans and landfills, times a million.

[–] Akh@lemmy.world 56 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Exactly this. It is not that AI generates meaningless slop, it also destroys the environment and increases costs to populations near data centers…

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Dont forget the decimated value of the houses nearby.

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[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

It's a self solving problem. As soon as people pay the actual cost of AI, usage will drop automatically. It's just because investors are willing to burn money inflating the bubble is the resaon AI is being used as much as it is.

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[–] Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I knew we were truly fucked the moment I realized that even non-AI content on the internet is affected negatively by AI. Take this comment I'm typing out right now. I'm not using AI for it, but the content of what I'm writing is based on experiences I have had with AI - nothing is purely human made anymore.

At one point I had an issue with a tool and searched for it on the web and found someone who looked like a real person describing a similar-ish issue. They mentioned trying a setting but it didn't work for them. I thought "that setting seems to be what I need". I searched for that setting on the web and also in the codebase of that tool - zero matches. It was made up. I didn't use any AI myself, but I still wasted time with an AI hallucination.

Now every time I find something on the web I have to do additional searches to see how many other sources corroborate the information I get from any result. And eventually this too will be pointless.

[–] testaccount789@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

It was made up. I didn’t use any AI myself, but I still wasted time with an AI hallucination.

And then it gets used as training data.

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

More like, imagine all the aquaphors drained dry.

[–] crimson_iris@piefed.social 9 points 1 month ago

Not to be that guy, but aquifers.

[–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Inference is about as cheap as playing a videogame.

There's certainly a lot of externalities to AI and enviro impact is absolutely one of them but this isn't a great point for it.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago

I play vidya gaem ⏩ I have a pleasant time

AI does things ⏩ ...?

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[–] schema@lemmy.world 48 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I remember when people came to me after they saw 'the social network' to pitch me their ideas. I'd be doing all the work but I'd get like 30% or something, because the had the idea, which in their minds was the only thing that counted. The ideas were usually 'facebook, but with '.

These kind of people can now finally make their own apps, and the result is exactly as shit as you'd expect. Even worse due to garbage AI code.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Tech CEOs think they are the only creative people on the planet, and that their creativity is worth all the world's money.

Hard to say for sure, but it looks more like they're towards the bottom on the creativity scale.

[–] Folstar@lemmus.org 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In their very half-hearted defense, some total weirdo did become one of the richest humans ever by saying "Myspace, but more superficial and with Harvard's PR machine backing it." Several subhuman ghouls become insanely wealthy by saying "banking, but online". There was also "Walmart, but online", "record store but on the phone", "all this open source software but it's mine now", and several other giga-genius inno-venters.

[–] schema@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Absolutely, ruthless opportunism definitely works. Especially for people with money. Paid-for expertise definitely produces a lot better apps than if the same people tried to do the design themselves.

[–] Zos_Kia@jlai.lu 2 points 1 month ago

They are all hitting the same hard truth: making the app is kind of the easy part

[–] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If its anything like the Play Store, the vast majority of these new slop apps are just shady copies of existing apps designed to milk their popularity for AD money, or worse ship malware onto your device.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago

Play store is hot garbage, god I fucking hate their shitty ui filled with ads, and all the reviews are fakes.

F droid!!

[–] hark@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Reminds me of those people claiming they're "10x more productive" and "doing the work of entire teams". With so much increased productivity, I would assume these results would be plainly visible through rapidly improving featureful applications, but instead we see declining quality in established software (e.g. windows 11) and a whole lot of garbage nobody wants to deal with like slop PR spam and these app releases.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Trying to coordinate initial code for a new project - the guys had done a lot “because ai”.

….. but none of the tests actually verify anything ….. and half of them still manage to fail

[–] Zos_Kia@jlai.lu 3 points 1 month ago

The place I work for has a hardcore vibe coder and today I found out none of the e2e tests pass because there is no db setup but it's okay it doesn't make the ci red as ignore_failed_tests is set to true

[–] abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

AI generated test cases are exactly the fight I'm about to have to go through. It's gonna be such a metric pain in the ass

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

This is a narrow area where ai can help, but like anything else, someone needs to go over it. I’ve used it successfully here, but I evaluate the results and iterate it correctly its mistakes

Last time I worked with this guy he had generated more test cases than there were on the entire product, yet his module still managed less coverage. Lots of useless test cases, lots of test cases that don’t verify anything, lots of duplication. Most importantly it’s generating lots of code that now has to be run on every build and needs to be maintained forever

[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They'll refuse to admit the obvious decline in quality at the major tech firms too.

[–] Zos_Kia@jlai.lu 2 points 1 month ago

It's horrible. I have a client whose whole setup is based on Google drive and the APIs shit the bed constantly. It's only getting worse they are so careless about these products that they might as well be legacy.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Of all the trends in software development (and here, I use the term very loosely), shovelware certainly is one of them.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's certainly the most recent

[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Shovelware has been a thing since the Atari 2600.

[–] joeljoelle@piefed.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

What it has spurned, as usual with tech, are talentless hacks trying to make easy money for nothing.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Step 1: Vibe code an app.

Step 2: It's buggy as shit.

Step 3: You have no idea how to fix it because you don't actually know what you're doing.

Step 4: Your app gets terrible reviews and nobody uses it.

Step 5: Release your next vibe-coded app, because failure doesn't mean anything anymore. If developing an app is free and easy, it doesn't matter if it's a failure since you really had nothing invested in the first place.


I'm going to say something extremely controversial on something that I, as a ex-writer, lost the battle against a long long time ago.

Vibe-coded apps are like self-published ebooks. If you are a crap writer, and your book doesn't sell, there's no consequence to it. If nobody buys it, or it gets bad reviews, you don't really need to care, because it's entirely free to just keep throwing your crap out there no matter how bad it might be. You can literally bang your firsts on a keyboard for a couple of hours, pay a few bucks to upload it to Amazon and call youreself Stephen fucking King. It doesn't matter if it doesn't sell because it literally cost you pennies.

A legitimate publisher would tell you to go fuck yourself, of course. But self-publishing is like flunking out of med school and decided to set up a portable operating table on the hospital sidewalk anyway because "How dare some gatekeeper tell you that you're not good enough."

Vibe-Coders are of the exact same ilk. Gatekeepers exist for a reason, in both publishing and app development. If your work is crap, the response is to GET BETTER, not say "Fuck it, I'm doing it anyway"

Sorry....rant over. I get a little passionate about this particular subject.

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[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

As someone that goes back to the early 90s in my career, and who lived through the whole dot com boom... My perspective remains unchanged from decades ago.

Without diminishing the skill it takes to make a quality app, the fundamental truth that I could never get across to people is that an idea, some underlying tech infrastructure and an app are the smallest part of making a business work. The business part is the hard part.

These tools have made it easier than ever for people to run off half cocked and make the same mistake that's been made for 4 decades. And they appeal to the worst sensibility, the incorrect assumption that if you build it they will come.

[–] dis_da_mor@anarchist.nexus 11 points 1 month ago

the absolute cratering of app reviews

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Weird how reviews peaked and then dropped, would assume entire business are being build on fake ai reviews

[–] NathanDerWeise@feddit.org 3 points 1 month ago

Maybe Apple is pretty good at filtering out fake reviews?

Maybe reviews increased due to all the new apps and then fell off as people began to identify slop apps.

[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 9 points 1 month ago

As if we already didn't have a problem of bad app pollution and had to sieve through all the garbage to get to sth reasonable.

[–] dial_pootis@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

It's because they never found out about my calculator app, which was totally amazing, and not basic at all.

[–] untorquer@quokk.au 6 points 1 month ago

I like the latent reduction in "Apps with significant usage". I will assume it's due to the abandonment of apps after developer adoption of vibe code or AI as primary dev tool and subsequent reductions in performance, utility, or ergonomics. Or alternatively/additonally that good apps just get drowned in the slop noise.

[–] trem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago

A few weeks ago, I downloaded a puzzle app.

Upon opening it, it told me that, by the way, it does not collect any data. Also, here's a "Privacy Center" in the app to show me how they're not collecting data. Unsurprisingly, the privacy center did not display anything.

But what was worse, is that the puzzles were either far too easy or just entirely broken.
The pinnacle of ingenuity was when a puzzle asked me to compare four shapes and find the one which is mirrored, but then showed me symmetrical shapes.

Trying this app was entirely a waste of my time.
Which is kind of the fundamental problem I see here. There's so many apps for all kinds of purposes out there, it's just not useful to create Yet Another Calender App. It's a waste of time for me to try anything but the most popular app, or well, whatever is on F-Droid.
In theory, there can be hyper-specific niches that aren't covered by existing apps, but that's also damn near impossible to explain to potential users, so probably still don't end up with many users.

[–] homes@piefed.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Where is the line tracking ‘shady bitcoin pump-n-dump/Chinese government investors’ in these slop apps aka Slapps™?

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

"Wanna develop an app?"

[–] auzy1@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

In hiking groups every f wit is now making a app for certain long walks.

Same thing could be done in a spreadsheet

[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

No users. Pffft, we'll just make more AI users! That definitely won't kill the earth. /s

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Used to be one of my favorite emojis. Now I see it and expect garbage to follow.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 month ago

You’ve still got this:

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