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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 130 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

There are places in America that are like this, you have to be able to afford it though.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 98 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Yes, the naivety of OOP not realizing that southern Europe is some of the most expensive real estate in the world and that the Americans moving there are moving with hoarded wealth is hilarious to me. "Let them eat cake" energy

[–] Rothe@piefed.social 68 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Last time I checked there were actually non-rich people in southern Europe.

[–] BillyClark@piefed.social 15 points 2 weeks ago

People don't seem to realize that rich people actually need non-rich people living near them, and they're not all live-in servants.

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[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

Yeah, give Mexico City a try. It's very much the same, only not so financially out of reach. You can get an okay house there for like $70,000 so you can buy a $2.5 million mansion. It's up to you and what kind of money you have.

I'm just coming back off of three weeks there and holy crap what a difference between America and Mexico.

Every street corner has foot traffic. There are shops every two city blocks for a 20 mile radius. There's a variety and art and culture, and everyone's just taking it easy. No one's in a big rush, even when their traffic is absolutely insane, it's insanity that's dealt with with a logical mind.

Culturally, America is 100 years behind Mexico City.

[–] fireweed@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Mexico City has horrible air quality, is running out of water, and is literally sinking because of over-consumption tho? Not exactly where I'd want to make any long-term plans.

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[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 25 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Or be so poor and in such a backwater place that time has no meaning.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 94 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

American here - we're conditioned from birth to think not working as hard as possible to make money for somebody else is lazy.

[–] immutable@lemmy.zip 31 points 2 weeks ago

I’m in the fortunate position that I could tell my chronically ill spouse to just not work.

Took them literally years to work through the guilt of not working, the capitalist conditioning of work being your source of value was so strong.

Of all the things I’ve accomplished in my life, knowing that my beautiful, creative, loving spouse gets to spend their days not being crushed by the capitalist machine is my most cherished.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 60 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Apparently I live in the wrong Southern Europe

[–] RogueJello@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

It's okay, I live in Ohio and we work like this, but instead of asking what you do we ask which high school you went to, and what you think about

[–] cheers_queers@lemmy.zip 54 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

i am one generation too late to get dual citizenship in finland via bloodline, and i will never get over that. i hate it here

[–] idegenszavak@sh.itjust.works 50 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You are not too late, you can still get finnish citizenship the same way as every other immigrant: you have to live there for 8 years, and learn the beautiful agglutinative language!

https://migri.fi/en/citizenship-for-adults

[–] perishthethought@piefed.social 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] cheers_queers@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

i would loooove to learn the language but it is daunting. i know one phrase i learned from my granpa, i know how to ask what time it is. lol

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[–] VelvetPinkOtter123@lemmy.world 51 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

This guy is a weird spiritual business guru. This post isn't an observation on modern American life, it's one of his many posts that try to sell you on his business where he claims that he can teach you how to monetize your passions and not have to actually work

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Their intentions do not disqualify the legitimate point made though. As a European, the last time I considered I could maybe live in the former united states was around 1997. So well before it turned full-on shithead Magastan.

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[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago (22 children)

I once took an American friend out for a night in Manchester. His first night in the UK.

That dispelled a lot of the narrative of the quaintness of Europe.

There's this thing that Americans have. An old world ideal. Where they picture is all having two hour lunches and generally chilling about the place. It isn't real, just another dream sold to you by capitalism.

Sure, we do some things differently over here, public transport and the ability to walk places being two that I'm particularly fond of, but let's not rose tinted this.

The rise of fascism, or at least nationalism, is coupled with some awful working practices, mainly imported... And some of the levels of outright poverty, both urban and rural more than challenge that in the states.

This is just another reflection of the grass being greener.

You think Europeans are friendly? In my experience people are just people. The folk I've met in North America have been lovely, by and large and we have much, much more in common than this fairy tale suggests. But it swings both ways and we also have plenty of arseholes across Europe that would as soon as shank you as they would invite you for a chat and not ask you what you did.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 26 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That is kind of the thing. Americans earn extremely well. So when Americans move to southern Europe, they are either retired or have a great remote job. With cheap houses in the rural parts of those countries and access to public health care, you can actually have a pretty chill lifestyle.

That is to say: Capitalism is great for capitalists.

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[–] TheparishofChigwell@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

To be fair the UK is actually depressing

I'm from the Netherlands and don't think I'll ever go back if not in my own bubble on a holiday not interacting too much

Such misery I haven't seen elsewhere as what your people vocalize. And the aggression is off the charts. I have my hopes up for Ireland, haven't been yet. But england? Nah, seen enough.

Every hometown is "a shithole" when you ask about it, indoctrination is complete with even "soulful folk" proudly exclaiming the most dumb standpoints

And the ones that rise above that are just more affluent and turn a bit more quiet so as not to risk showing their own true colors. Hypocrites, behind the elbows we call that. Class consciousness. Not European at all in my opinion. I kind of hope nowadays you guys don't ever get to return, it's that bad.

I hope it gets better for you over there but where I live lunches can last 1,5 hours and work still gets done with a vengeance

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Most British people have been slowly crushed by 45 years of neo liberal economics. Its sucked the vitality and investment out of every town and village as the country deindustrialized and turned into a hub for casino capitalism in London

I imagine the Brits were happier before Thatcher arrived.

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[–] bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip 38 points 2 weeks ago

Just got back from southern France. Yeah this lifestyle here is bullshit.

[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Can… can I move to southern Europe?

[–] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Quick reminder that if you have german ancestors that had to flee the nazis, you can claim their citizenship back. Once you got the german passport the whole EU allows you to be a resident.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My stupid ancestors moved here like 6 generations ago. 😞

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[–] perishthethought@piefed.social 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Assuming you're a privileged white person with an employer who is willing to fill out paperwork and vouch for you with the government before they've even hired you and aren't trying to stay permanently

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[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Spain has massively increased it's population. Even though the birthrate is below replacement level. All of that is immigration.

You can move to basically anywhere. Most countries offer legal immigration paths. Some are of course harder than others, but it's possible.

Especially if you are highly skilled. Such as a medical doctor.

Countries love already educated professionals, since they basically get all the benefit of a fully working adult without the downside of paying for its childcare or education.

And even if low educated, most first world countries want low educated foreigners that can do the "dirty" physical work that the locals don't want to do, such as construction.

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[–] BioDriver@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I see all the reels of Europeans coming to the US for the World Cup and they’re shocked how nice we are, how good the food is, etc etc. I have to remind myself that they’re visiting and that yes, we are nice on average and we don’t all live like an episode of The Wire, they don’t have to experience our job culture, health care, car requirement, extreme weather, and batshit insane and corrupt political system. Yes this is a great place to visit, but your life here is very much dictated by the hand you were dealt at birth.

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Also these people are on vacation. People are in a good mood on vacation. They don't mind a lot of everyday bs. They don't really care of the food prices because they already spent a couple thousands to be there. Emotionally, they are in a theme park.

And importantly, they are drunk.

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[–] GhostFace@lemmy.today 29 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

It's really just laughing at us at this point.

There is very little chance of most of us escaping to Europe. Every program that I've looked at for moving over there has been entirely closed within a day or two due to the amount of applications being sent in.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

... and my entire American life has been an oscillation between being indescribably furious, knowing that 'it doesnt have to be this way' and then laughing uproariously at people being surprised by the astoundingly predictable outcome of literally every one burning out and crashing out.

This never could work, the way we do things... its inhuman, and insane.

It is no measure of sanity to be well adjusted to deeply disturbed society.

We're just now finally experiencing the part where gravity resumes affecting Wile E Coyote.

... but we have a very long way to still fall.

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[–] jtrek@startrek.website 24 points 2 weeks ago

If people would stop voting for conservatives we could all have better lives.

[–] YeahIgotskills2@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I dont think i'd survive the American hustle life, where everything is a potential sale and money is all your ever taught to create.

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[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (11 children)

Americans, 20+ years ago I joined the Peace Corps. Extended, spent 3 years in a wild, amazing place in West Africa. Met my spouse, loved the experience. Strongly recommend. Over the last 20+ years, been out of the States for 10+. It's a springboard.

Right now, recruitment is down. A lot. The bar is citizenship, be 20-something (technically 18, but you need some something experience and not really fresh from high school), and don't have a totally jacked up body. You won't be doing shit for sleepy T, like how I didn't do shit for W.

You want Southern Europe? SE Europe is awesome. Albania, Kosovo, MKD, all options. Also Moldova, if you like wine. So are Armenia and Georgia, which are also amazing.

The option is there and real. Free to apply.

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[–] Dry_Monk@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The comments in here are largely centered around "How can I get out?" Or alternately "Getting out is not possible."

I came across this post last year, and it gave me the kick in the pants to get out myself.

https://crazypeople.online/post/6720157

Been out of the states since January. I started in Portugal and I can confirm how relaxed it is there. I'm in Morocco now and have met the most kind and welcoming people I've ever known. Very relaxed here as well. I don't currently have plans to return.

It may or may not be possible for you depending on your specific situation. If you are in the "How can I get out?" camp, I'd encourage you to think seriously about making it happen. Look at how you could radically change things. Sell everything, quit your job, and crash at a family member's house. The barriers are likely lower than you imagine, and the upsides are dramatic.

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[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

School closed early due to heat today. So I dropped a line in work slack, picked up my kid and went swimming in a great open air pool for 4.50. Europe is wonderful place to live.

And it's not even southern.

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[–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I lived in Southern Europe for 2 years back in 2002 and it was without a doubt the best time of my life.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 weeks ago

for 2 years back in 2002

During those two years in 2002, how many times did you travel backwards in time to avoid 2003?

[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 weeks ago

imagine living in europe and wanting to turn it into the USA. That is what a lot of conservative and liberal politicians feel like to me.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

So... two hour lunches. But I thought they still had a 40 hour workweek in most places. So do they work 8 to 6? Or is the 2nd hour of lunch technically work time?

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