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[–] 69 points 2 months ago* (19 children)

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Oh, the irony.

Bit oblivious, more like.

What value does a foreign language have for Bob, who lives in the middle of the country?

I learned two languages in school, have never used either one with a native speaker of that language.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    If we had a different language in each state there would be a lot more Americans who spoke several.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    America has 300 different answers for "what language do you speak at home with family".

    Three hundred.

    You could have 6 different languages per state, with no overlap, just by shuffling people around.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah and there are people that speak Basque in Spain. However, you won't find many that are not Basque speaking that language. The Basque speakers all mostly speak Spanish.

    Same thing in the US. Sure there are people that speak 300 languages, but the majority speak English. They are also spread out.

    Only major exception would be Spanish

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Sense of wonder from discovering how different people from different places think similarly or differently of the same experiences, or different experiences you never thought about.
    Otherwise, maybe trying to interact with the immigrants probably covering the essential jobs in his small town that nobody else wants to do.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Sense of wonder from discovering how different people from different places think similarly or differently of the same experiences, or different experiences you never thought about.

    I mean, I'm sure some percentage of people who learn a language do so for that reason. But the vast, vast majority of time someone learns another language it's going to be because they expect to use it, I imagine.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    immigrants probably covering the essential jobs in his small town that nobody else wants to do.

    I heard from others say “they’re not your tutor” and they just switch back to English with me 😭

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    It will depend on the people and how you approach them, some will be happy to learn your interest, some will expect that it goes both ways and some will not want to be bothered. That's just normal human things.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago*

    What value does a foreign language have for Bob, who lives in the middle of the country?

    I learned two languages in school, have never used either one with a native speaker of that language.

    We have a huge population of Spanish speaking people here.

    There's roughly the same amount of people in the US that speak Spanish that do in Spain.

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    [–] 49 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    In our defense, most of us can't even speak English.

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    [–] 25 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Depends where you are in the country or how wealthy you are, on whether learning a foreign language is a meaningful thing to do. People who live towards the middle and up north can easily go their entire lives without knowing another language. People who live towards the southern border could get a lot out of knowing Spanish. Towards either coast and knowing another language maybe useful. It’s a massive country that primarily speaks English, so it shouldn’t be a shocker to see that many wouldn’t need to learn a second language. I, myself barely know part of another language. And part of that is, it just isn’t really useful to me since almost no one here speaks another language.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I mean fuck us and all we do suck, but I don't think people outside the US and Canada really grasp how big this place is. A few years ago I drove to Montreal. It's a 12 hour drive going 100km/h the whole way, and that's to get to the nearest city that doesn't speak English by default, a 24 hour drive in any other direction and I would still be surrounded by people speaking English.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago

    For me it’d be a minimum of a 18 hour drive just to go somewhere where English isn’t always the default. Can be over a day’s journey to the other side of country. It’s just not like Europe where it’s an hour’s of a few hours trip to another country where they speak another language. Instead it’s a several hour trip just to go to the next state over who speaks the same language as me.

    There is a lot of fair criticisms to make of our countries, but this isn’t really one of them. Instead you have to look a little deeper to understand the why people here don’t always know a second language.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Hard to learn a language when there's nobody fluent to talk to in that language

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    One of the things Discord is actually good for! I learned Welsh and found a community specifically for practicing talking the language mentored by more experienced people.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    It's a shame there isn't more language education in the US. We had one class on a foreign language starting in sixth grade, which is pretty late.

    Most things here are mono lingual. I visited Montreal and I feel like if I was there for a few months, my rudimentary French would really develop. Unfortunately, the one time I tried to speak to someone there who didn't speak English, it didn't go super well. She was patient, but we weren't really understanding each other. All my French is reading and writing, so I have an incredibly bad accent.

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    [–] 9 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    If we are throwing shade at American education, I like to start with statistics and basic logical fallacies.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    If Americans were taught logical fallacies, their society would fall apart

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    [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Given that this completely ignores that there are thousands of people who can speak English and their native tribal language I’d say it’s both harsh and ignorant, putting aside that a foreign language was a required class in my high school.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    Oh the irony...

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    Part of being powerful is a reduction in cognitive load. You don't have to worry about what those strange foreign language speakers think or want because you have the guns and money. They have to worry about what you want. Being asked to learn another land's language places them equal or higher in the hierarchy.

    You just can't allow that kind of thinking. I mean, what next, calling foreigners human? /s

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago*

    Whoever made this needs to LEAN the language they're using first.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    USA you mean. (America covers Canada and Mexico and Brazil and... Well you get the picture).

    As with anything in the US it's more complex than that. Most of my friends speak a second language to some degree. German, Portuguese, Spanish, Russian, and I myself am working on Welsh.

    Sure you get plenty of ignorant folk who call it useless, like most of my relatives, but plenty want to learn. US is not really one homogenous culture despite how it might seem at times.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    US is not really one homogenous culture despite how it might seem at times.

    You can thank first-past-the-post for the false majorities creating that perception.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I’ve never had use for one.

    But I did spend some time learning German and was able to hold conversations to an extent. Was interesting and fun and made some friends (they wanted me to stop trying so hard and just speak English lol).

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    [–] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Harsh but well deserved hahaha

    I'm currently trying to learn Spanish and my goodness gracious. It would have been easier as a child!

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    It really helps to have a community too. I found one for Welsh that has weekly chats geared towards learners. Experienced learners have been helping people learn no matter how simple the question. They've even started developing games and learning tools in Welsh to help more.

    There's similar communities for most languages I'd wager.

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