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[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 9 points 3 hours ago

I've never wanted to punch a word in the face until the word "agentic" started popping up everywhere.

I refuse to even pronounce it correctly.

"ajanteek" is probably what I'd say if I was forced to utter such unspeakable trash

[–] goosehorse@lemmy.world 16 points 5 hours ago

Don't these fart-huffing jackasses understand that I actually need to read my e-mails to plan physical meetings with other flesh-based entities?

It's difficult for me to fathom how someone could risk their work getting fucked up by non-deterministic software.

To me, it's not worth the risk or the hassle to set up and babysit a piece of software that might get shit wrong when I can just do it correctly in the first place.

[–] MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.works 15 points 7 hours ago

Recently I was having a problem with my banking app and phoned for help. The robot who answered had a helpful suggestion: download the banking app. Then it hung up. I rang back and tried demanding to speak to a human. "All our agents are busy at the moment. Please wait..." While on hold I had a look at the website, and in the small print learned the humans all go home at 6pm. No-one had thought to tell the robot.

When I spoke to a human the next day, she advised me never to speak to the robot, not even to ask for a human. "Don't say anything, and eventually you'll be put through."

Yes, I'm a normal person, and yes, I hate this bullshit. The bank's human person probably hates this bullshit too, because she has to deal with the aftermath.

(I wrote a letter of complaint and got £50, so it wasn't a complete bust...)

[–] subgenius@lemmy.zip 5 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

Naive question here. If I use ChatGPT or whatever to enhance my resume, do these programs data collect my resume/personal info ?

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

If you're concerned about data retention, you'd want to select an inference provider that is listing 'ZDR' (zero data retention) as a feature.

For example, a lot of the Chinese open weight models have become quite capable and because their weights are available end up like generic vs brand name medicine where there's multiple providers serving them with different production conditions.

Because enterprise use will often be worried about data retention or sending data to China, the alternative providers usually offer things like US-only inference or zero data retention.

If you're not going to use it all that often, a la carte API use is going to be way cheaper than a subscription, probably better results than a free plan with a closed model provider, and give you more control over the process.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 6 points 7 hours ago

just assume yes

google has been found keeping information on you that they explicitly said they wouldn't. I can't recall the specifics. but apply that to any megacorp like this

[–] oozynozh@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 hours ago

yes. if you still feel the need to do this, sanitize your inputs. strip it of all personal data. don't upload the whole file with metadata, paste the scrubbed text that you want rewritten in with the prompt.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 hours ago

Almost certainly.

They don't have to, since it's not a part of the system that it requires them to hold onto the information, but they all invariably hold onto the information to keep training on it, which includes your personal information.

They are likely not using for selling to other people or anything since that's not their business model at the moment, but it's probably finding it's way into the next version in some capacity.

[–] Digit@lemmy.today 4 points 7 hours ago

I wonder if it's more like VR.

People don't like losing control over their technology in reality.

People want to retain control over their technology, like it's a tool.

Virtual reality removes awareness and agency in the real world.

Same as agents do.

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

I want AI agents to just go the fuck away!

[–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

AI is incredible for research and development. The power it gives you as a software developer is unreal. Outside of that, I really don’t like it.

[–] ooo_shiny@lemmy.nz 8 points 11 hours ago

At some point the ‘build it and they will come’ model runs into a wall of reality, because people don’t do things just because you really hope they will, but because it makes sense for them.

Take digital cameras as an example. They enjoyed a massive boom about 20 years ago as the technology developed. Then the technology became good enough, and phones became more convenient, and now cameras are returning to being a relatively niche and expensive product. Funnily enough, phones are running into the same problem, which is that they are good enough, and people are more reluctant to run out and buy the latest product now.

All of which is to say, I think AI will eventually settle into a market niche, offering useful tools for data analysis, multimedia editing, and coding, to say nothing of other fields I haven’t thought of. I also think that market niche will not be sufficient to sustain the enormous resources being dedicated to the AI industry at present, simply because they’re wildly overestimating AI’s appeal to the public.

[–] daddycool@lemmy.world 18 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

When someone proudly express their enthusiasm for AI, I immediately think less of that person.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 points 14 hours ago

Or defer to AI, when you ask them a quesiton that can be simply answered or even googled, that doesnt have a AI results. and ends up with a overcomplicated summary that leads to more questions.

[–] AnticitizenOne@leminal.space 10 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Fundamentally, they cost way, way too much to run. LLMs are useful tools (I use them a bit for data analysis and coding help) and the people who use them for that kind of thing might pay the full cost in some form (not as individuals but their companies might). But they're trying to push them into everything and people who can't think for themselves and want them to help them write emails and such are not going to foot the bill. Not even close.

I think they've realised that forcing universal adoption is the only way that this could work, to get everyone hooked on it then jack up the prices. But regular consumers will never, ever be the ones paying the enormous costs of LLMs. Even companies will start to realise that there is no point paying huge amounts just for everyone to be able to outsource writing emails and basic tasks to LLMs. And short of any huge breakthrough, they are incapable of doing most jobs.

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

I hold the opinion that if people talk about LLM's instead of AI they are inherently more understanding of the tool and therefore more qualified to use it.

[–] Jarix@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

It's not difficult to understand. This whole AI bubble is just a push to get enough people, a critical mass, over a threshold that they start paying for the usage. The Bubble was waiting for the money to run out which is what built the bubble. The money is running out and the subscriptions are ready for purchase.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The software development industry is ready to purchase subscriptions, but no other sectors it seems.

[–] Mondez@lemdro.id 1 points 9 hours ago

Maybe but even there there are limits on how much they will be willing to spend for junior level programming no matter how much of a ship fast fix broken methodology they adopt.

Same as the internet infrastructure bubble in the dot com boom. Thing is, we use the infrastructure now, just took a decade or so.

[–] Aneb@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Stop normalizing LLMs as productivity machines.

[–] percent@infosec.pub 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

They definitely can be useful as a part of a "productivity machine," for some people. But yeah, they're not the whole solution. An LLM alone is much less useful without harnesses and tools.

I suppose one of the difficulties in trying to build a one-size-fits-all thing is that everyone has a different set of use cases and workflows needed for productivity. Each person's own "productivity machine" might be useless for other people.

Most people (maybe even most tech-oriented people) just aren't AI-fluent enough to be able to build their own agentic workflows with enough fidelity to actually yield a net-positive effect in productivity. It's not a user-friendly process for the masses (yet).

[–] RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Replace politicans, CEOs and lawyers with AI first...

If all a President has to do is write stupid social media posts I think we found the best starting point

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I'm still waiting to hear about the first board member LLM.

[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (7 children)

There are loads of reasons normal people aren't using AI Agents. This article doesn't give any of the ones I'd think of.

The first and biggest reason is that most people have no real need for it. Because of the now clearly-insane level of spying on us companies are doing to leech as much precious data about every instant of our lives as they can, not many people want to pay and then put in work learning how to use something they don't understand or care much about in order to give an AI agent (and their owner) their complete schedule, all preferences about everything, and all the tiny things that an AI Agent might save them a few seconds each day with.

It's not worth the time and effort for the few small tasks that existing modern technology already allows them to so very quickly and easily they're not any sort of bother, and the only way an AI Agent could help most normal people is by knowing as near to everything about their lives and personalities and work and habits as possible. This is the second reason, close behind the first. "Normal people" accepting using an AI Agent to help them with their little "normal people" jobs and "normal people" lives means fully surrendering and giving in to the insane corporate espionage against the general public. It's signing the data of all the little bits of yourself away.

Even if it could save 30 minutes a day, the real price is selling out the rest of yourself and any shred of privacy you had left. It's not worth it. Even if the AI companies already knew everything about us and would get no extra data from doing it, it's still worth the 30 minutes a day just to tell them to fuck off already.

The third reason is that an awful lot of people really, really, really, don't like AI to begin with. It was created by taking as close to the entirety of collective human knowledge as possible and feeding it all in to a thing that they charge people to use. Even if they didn't charge people to use it, the only possible goal for AI is to attempt to automate human labor. To build AI systems that think and react thousands of times faster than a human who take over... well, all the tasks that humans can do while sitting down in front of a computer, for the moment. But it's no secret there's also a huge push into advancing robotics, and humanoid robotics, and using that paired with this AI to fully automate assembly lines, and farms, and all of the rest of aspects of human labor.

Even if unlimited AI Access with unlimited AI Agents was free, a lot of people would have zero interest. It's been openly said that these companies are training AI on their current employees actions. They're not trying to get us all to use AI Agents because they want to make our lives better. They want that data of every aspect of our lives and jobs in order to improve their AI. So it can take over our jobs. Leaving us with... the charity of the ultra wealthy? That's nothing. Or whatever they can do to get a tax write off for more than it costs them to do. Maybe passing out cyanide capsules for the bulk of us once we're redundant and useless to them, and offering careers as servants to the most attractive (and those with the most attractive children).

I'm not sure where they expect us to think this is going, but most of us didn't see Hunger Games as an idyllic future to build towards.

And the last reason I have is that a lot of people feel that "using" something that seems to actually be thinking and capable of direct communication with us is completely immoral and evil. Some of them aren't asking the mechanics behind it all, some of them know a great deal about them. For some it's simple feeling. This thing seems to truly be speaking to them and understanding them, and so it is not right for them to force it to do whatever they instruct. However you feel about it, they're not likely to star commanding a swarm of AI Agents to do their bidding.

None of these are the reasons mentioned in the article, because none of them are things the people trying to figure out how to get us all to start using these AI Agents for everything can easily control. They aren't reasons they want to hear, because regardless of what features they add to those Agents and how little knowledge of their system internals is needed to use them it's not going to change anything at all for anyone on this real list.

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[–] chaitae3@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

The latest trend with AI agents is giving people the power to build personal software to automate parts of their life, such as building pitch decks, organizing datasets, and other tasks.

I don't really have a lot of datasets to organise in my private life, a LibreCalc sheet is more than enough. I also don't use pitch decks when I talk to friends and family. Any other suggestions?

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