I’m open to the possibility that it’s just me being more aware/sensitive to how people are driving around me too. And I’m not necessarily talking about drivers I have to interact with myself but just seeing what people are doing in general.

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[–] 127 points 1 month ago (21 children)

Since 2020. Covid broke a lot of brains. Once people started driving again, it’s like they forgot (or rejected) all the rules. Bad behavior that I rarely saw, like blatantly running red lights, aggressive driving, using turning lanes as passing lanes (even through intersections) went from rare to daily.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    The red light situation is insane since then. People would always push it a bit here and there, but now i routinely see people with a red fly through an intersection after people with the green light have already entered the intersection. Social media has convinced simpletons that because they see "movies" of their own life on their devices that they have plot armor. And it will take a serious accident to make them learn otherwise. Its frightening as fuck to share the road with people like that.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago

    Reminds me of an old joke:

    My car was in the shop, so I asked for a ride to the grocery store from my neighbor. He agrees, no problem, and we're off. The first time we come to a red light, he floors it and we dart through the intersection. There's a cacophony of horns and squealing ties, but we're unscathed.

    I whip around to him, wide-eyed, and yell, "What the hell are you doing?! That was a red light!"

    He smiles and says, "Don't worry, I watch my brother do that all the time. No problem."

    I try to argue, but he keeps doubling down: "Never seen my brother get hit. Everyone just stays out of the way. It's totally fine," as we fly through one intersection after another, ignoring seemingly every red light in town.

    Finally, mercifully, I see us pulling up to a green light. I reassure myself that we're almost there, and I'll be home soon.

    But as we roll up to the green light, my neighbor slams hard on his brakes. The car behind us lays on their horn and skids to a sharp stop right behind us. I'm white as a ghost as I turn to my neighbor and demand to know why the hell we stopped at a green light.

    "My brother could've been coming from the other way."

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    Yup. I saw this twice this week, the first happened at a 4 way stop and everyone took their turns until one car just followed the car in front of them, knowing people will still be paused. The fucking gall of someone to not only skip the line, but blow a stop sign to do it. 4 way stops I've found to be the worst at seeing this kind of behavior.

    The second was someone I work with, apparently. Not someone I know but they clearly work on my shift. Our building is right off the highway and I took the offramp to it and waited at the red light. Nobody was coming so I started to turn right on to the road toward work. Then I look left again and there's a black Dodge ram going easily 45 in a 30 just to slam on the brakes mid turn, halfway into the intersection when that light was red. I pull up behind him and the lights for the side street had just turned yellow, and this cum stain blows the red were stopped at early at full acceleration. Only to turn into the western parking lot of the place we work. The stupidest part of this story? We were 40 minutes early.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago

    SO many people are GLUED to their phones at all times now, too. Every red light the 1st place car sits at the green until someone honks because they just CANNOT STOP DOOMSCROLLING.

    I am a technology evangelist and I have been since I was quite young. I’m addicted to my phone. I admit using it while driving on rare occasions to like change to the next song or something, or adjust Waze at a red light. But dude, come the fuck on what are people DOING??

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Using turning/bus lanes to cross intersections is something that I see that went from rarely to daily. It drives me crazy since they usually try to force their way back in to the lane once they cross.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    You've an uptick in this type of behaviour coupled with a decline in enforcement.

    You can go to countries where there are no traffic rules being enforced at all, but there's not the same wanton disregard for life that I see daily on US roads. Recently was in Houston and you couldn't pay me to live in that hellscape of entitled drivers.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    It might be the age of most drivers around me but they all forgot how to use turn signals, how to merge onto a highway, what a yield sign means (hint: it’s not stop) and how to anticipate that they need to merge instead of waiting until the last minute and creeping into the other lane.

    And just about every time it’s someone in a Subaru driving like they were beamed into a car and don’t know what they’re doing there.

    Oh, and just about everyone comes to almost a complete stop to make any turn.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Yeah. And people honking as soon as the light turns green. I got a dollar says the people that honk like that are the same people running reds making me not go when the light goes green.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    I seriously think this happened. I never used to see people signaling right and then turning left from a MIDDLE lane. People used to at least slow down at a red light before making a right turn. My dashcam went from an insurance policy to a highlight reel of absolute idiocy every time I drive.

    I think it’s time everyone gets a road test every time they renew their drivers license.

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    [–] 41 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Hell yes, since the pandemic, it has been nuts. Especially how they behave in parking lots.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I have noticed an uptick in the behavior that when you are backing out of a spot, people are more likely to speed up to get by you than stop and wait. When I can't see what traffic is coming, I back up slowly until I can see. Recently, I had one guy honk to let me know he was going to speed past. Thanks, I guess?

    It's difficult to discern if it's statistically significant. Perhaps these are people who always back into their parking spaces due to automated parking on more vehicles. Maybe they have lost their empathy for people who back out of spaces. Meanwhile, I have to guess what they are doing and then wait for them when they suddenly stop and back up towards me to get into a spot they had driven past.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    The same thing happened after 9/11 and lasted for months. People were stressed, upset and angry and it really showed up in their driving.

    We now have the Republicans and their malignant narcissist glorious leader actively destroying this country. Medical costs, housing and grocery prices (among other things) are completely out of control and keep getting worse and Trump claims affordability is a "hoax" while adding more tariffs. Nearly eradicated diseases are surging again and children are dying. Our food has become unsafe to eat. We're in a war that was completely unnecessary and the dotard in chief is shitting his pants and pretending he's a tough guy while crawling into food carts to hide. Nero isn't just fiddling while Rome burns, he and his ilk are smearing shit on the walls and actually lighting more fires.

    People are naturally stressed, upset and angry, and it's again showing up in our driving.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago

    Not really. It sure can feel like it when you run into one, but people have been shit at everything since forever.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago

    Yes. Society is very ill. (pats society on head)

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago

    The city I live in had 15 pedestrian deaths from cars as their previous record, this year we are up to 40.

    Cars are rapidly increasing in size and weight, decreasing their visibility, and people wont get off their phones. I do also partially believe that covid hit cognitive function and that tough times are making people antsy and angry too.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    I think the older we get, and the more we know how things "are supposed to go" we notice more when things don't go that way. I usually try to chalk it up to people that are inexperienced, elderly or not local. But there will always be people that are dicks because they can

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    It was way worse before phones were outlawed while driving. Now, people are back on their phones while it’s illegal. It’s a legitimate issue, and a hard one to solve.

    People are braking like 30% later because of distractions inside of cars. More recent automobiles can tolerate braking so suddenly, but older ones cannot. Phones, funny enough, have gentrified the roads via producing unsafe drivers

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    I actively enjoy being a polite and considerate driver.

    If you’re not in a 2024+ Tesla there’s every chance I’ll let you out, buddy. I use my turn signals every damned time. On country roads I leave a big gap between me and the vehicle in front in case someone wants to overtake and needs to pull in. I move to the side of the lane when motorbikes are coming up from behind me and make sure to leave space for them to pull in too. I let trucks out if one’s trying to overtake another. If someone’s tailgating me, I pull over and let them past, imagining they’re a bomb disposal tech heading to a school for blind orphans to save those poor kids. “God speed, you crazy bomb whisperer!”

    Life is good.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    People on their phones at red lights is insane. And then they have the absolute fucking nuts to look at you in the mirror when you beep at them for almost missing the entire turn arrow, like you're the moron. Blows my nuts off. I gotta get out of the city, man.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago*

    In France, during the past 10 years, yes. Most people around don't stop at stop signs anymore. They don't even pretend to slow down. It's like driving schools have stopped teaching the basics to young drivers (who are now 30/40 and still drive like morons).

    If you're a shitty driver (BMW or VW), come to France! There are no cops on the road except once a year around Christmas to pretend they still exist.

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  • No, not personally. Have you considered other factors such as a change in local population (increased traffic), new local stressors (stressed people drive aggressively), has your driving perspective changed (higher driving standards as you get older or have kids)? I'm willing to accept my local area may be an outlier too.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    People ALWAYS say that drivers have gotten worse since [date] or that [my-local-area] drivers are the worst. I remember people saying this 30 years ago.

    I am aware that pedestrian deaths are up in the US, which can be attributed to phones and vehicles increasing in mass. Other than that, let's see the data.

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    [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    There are a lot of distracted drivers who think as long as they match the speed of the car in the lane next to them, no one will know they are doing something on their phone. Meanwhile, the whole road is blocked by people doing 10 miles under the limit because they're relying on each other to pay attention.

    The number of people who will sit until honked at when the light turns green also seems higher. Motherfucker, if you're first in line you have an obligation to watch the signal!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    I’ve noticed this too, everyone is on their phone now and not paying attention, then they get mad when you are forced to pass them on the right or honk at them at the light. Everyone has their heads up their asses now.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    It seems so, but I don't have any data to back this up so it's yet another anecdote. Speaking as someone who spends a lot of time on a motorcycle, though, I feel that I probably have a keener eyeball out for this sort of thing than most.

    People kind of went insane during the COVID lockdowns and as far as I can tell remained at that approximate level of insanity in the years afterwards, whereas the number of vehicles on the road returned right back to its original level.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    nah it's fucked now. and as a result, I'm more aggressive as well

    had a guy last night with LED bulbs in halogen housings pull up across the red light. put my highbeams on because I couldn't fucking see. he turned his LED highbeams on. when the light turned green, they swerved towards me.

    funny thing is, that's similar to what I do when I'm being blinded - I drift towards the center of the road so I don't go into the ditch. but this guy thought I instigated the situation when I was just responding to him instigating the situation.

    nobody won. we're both pissed off. it's stupid. but fuck the assholes, nothing will change unless there are consequences. so I'm gonna try to make consequences for them. and that means I appear as just one more asshole on the road to others.

    another peeve of mine is driver aids. it's made people so goddamn bad in parking lots. I don't give a fuck that your backup alarm wasn't going, I'M WALKING HERE, and "I didn't see you" isn't a fucking excuse or apology for you being a dangerous shit driver. fuck you.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    I’ve seen endless people not using their blinkers, and I’ve seen people diving over two, three, four lanes of freeway to make their exit, I’ve seen people changing lanes in the goddamn well-marked no lane change tunnel, speeders and super slow drivers alike,

    and I think it would prolly be for the best if the standards to get a license were much, much higher.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    No, in my experience it has always been bad

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yep. Coinciding directly with the proliferation of massive trucks with 10 seats and 600 horsepower engines and a bed too small for a TV to fit in.

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    [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    I wish I lived in a first world country who could provide reasonable public transportation so I didn't have to deal with driving for EVERYTHING in my life.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Had a few people scream at me when I am cycling to work on the few sections I have to use roads with cars on.

    Recent one I was cycling along and someone pulls out into my lane and expected me to move over for them. Nah, you fucking wait, this is my lane not yours. I can stand in the road with you shouting for a lot longer than it takes for you to reverse back to where you should be waiting.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    The thing that is pissing me off recently is that when people stop at a light with wayy too much room in between their car and the one in front of them. I think it is a byproduct of many drivers not being able to visualize how large their car is Like seriously, most people leave enough room to fit an extra car or two at the stopped light. Imo it contributes heavily to how many cars can actually pass at a green light, and it makes traffic so much worse.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Counterpoint:

    The last time I was rear-ended, I was in stop-and-go traffic going uphill. Every time I moved a few feet and stopped, the car behind me would pull right up to within a few inches of my bumper. It was driving me crazy.

    Sure enough, the person behind him hit him, then he hit me.

    The rule from the book when I was teaching my kids to drive was: You're supposed to stop when you can still see the where the rear wheels of the car in front of you touch the street. If your good obstructs the view, you're too close. If you can see street between your car and their tires, you're too far.

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    [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Not really. But the amount of asshole on e-scooters has gone through the roof!

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    [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Reading over the responses from people here, I'm realizing that Philly drivers really are as bad as I believe they are.

    Most of the responses here describe what I've been seeing in Philly for decades. Running red lights, blowing through stop signs, turning right on red from the left-turn-only lane. I refer to that as the "Philly Right Turn". There's also a "Philly Left Turn" (AKA, turning left on red from the right-turn-only lane) which is slightly more advanced because it involves crossing at least one additional lane of moving traffic.

    I had a guy hit me because he went straight in the right-turn-only lane and the road had a dog-leg at the intersection because of construction. He said it was my fault because "everyone does it". His insurance didn't agree with his argument, and I got my deductible paid (thanks, dashcam).

    When I was in college 30 years ago, I used to joke that Philly drivers should have their horns linked to their brakes so that when they leaned on their horn to warn other drivers that they were going to run the red light, the car would automatically brake instead. That wouldn't work since then because people stopped bothering with the warning honk.

    The things I've seen change more recently is what I mentioned in my other comment: driving on the wrong side of the road and driving while staring at their phone.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    I’ve noticed over the many years I’ve been driving (1) it depends on coincidence (sometimes there are suddenly ten jerks in a month instead of the average of two -plain statistics) 2) it depends on me (if I drive defensive, it seems every one does so too).

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