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[–] 126 points 1 month ago (35 children)

It should be banned at every level of education, and in every government department, doctors office, hospital etc just for a start.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 month ago (21 children)

    Banned unless utility is proven.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (9 children)

    Just utility? I can probably generate a bunch of school textbooks, fan fiction stories and children books with generative AI. Put them on some print on demand service and once some sorry soul is fooled and buys them, it's some utility. At least to me...

    I think it's super involved to assess utility in a good way. Not even the large companies know whether AI coding makes their workforce more or less productive once everything is factored in. So, if it's the kind of utility they're looking for. And then there will be downsides so we gotta balance and weigh everything...

    If you're putting it there as some impossible first step to do... Well done 😄

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    [–] 117 points 1 month ago (13 children)

    Let's also ban it for teachers who create educational materials. My kids receive and work with such materials and it's wrong so often and deeply, the teachers can't even explain how to solve problems.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    As a teacher, I can't agree enough. I'm really tired of being handed slop from my coworkers, and then having to weigh the social implications of explaining to them how I know it is slop and why this particular case of slop is bad. The amount of energy I have to spend deconstructing their use of AI, and then translating and validating that deconstruction to them, doesn't match the effortlessness with which they pump out more slop and leave me frustrated that I have to do this every time.

    Just ban it from use in elementary and secondary schools, please.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I'm an adult taking night classes at my local community college. I have two instructors (neither is technically a professor). One is my age, and she begs us not to use AI, as some of my classmates openly talk about using it. My other instructor is in her 60s and all of her assignments have little notes under the header that say "this worksheet was generated by copilot". It's baffling. My feedback at the end of the semester is always "this class was great, but I wish the assignments didn't use AI".

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    [–] 60 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I understand the intention, but I'd argue high school is where its at the most corrosive. High school is where kids are forming their independent learning habits - we're already seeing the effects of AI becoming a crutch at this point in the game.

    It makes even the smartest kids thick as pig shit because they start to depend on it, in the same way a lot our generation's handwriting went down the shitter because of computers.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    in the same way a lot our generation's handwriting went down the shitter because of computers.

    I'm not saying this because I'm a millennial but apparently we're the "last normal" generation because we didn't grow up as much with AI, social media and smartphones and tablet which does everything as we wish. Social media back then was for funsies, where your posts are for friends and family to cherish and not for the whole world to see. The smartphones only came later in our lives rather than thrust upon us when we were babies. Then of course, we didn't use AI until now. Millenials and the older folks have had to do most things ourselves.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    One generation from "don't trust wikipedia" to "just ask chatGPT."

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    [–] 29 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    The number of new nurses / doctors who auto-piloted their way through school is fucking staggering.

    There're no checks, they just take ChatGPT's vomit at face value.

    Then they start working, and they're just bad.

    AI needs to be banned from education, period. Think with your own brain.

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    [–] 28 points 1 month ago

    The fact that this phrase is revolutionary and newsworthy makes this world so dystopian that it's hard to believe.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 month ago* (7 children)

    Fucking hell. High school is where they start to learn to think for themselves the most.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Maybe we should take an example from Warhammer 40k, and just ban all "abominable intelligences.

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    [–] 20 points 1 month ago

    A lot of adults have yet to learn this...

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  • [+] 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)
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    [–] 15 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    I don't get it.
    Weren't schools telling children to "comply", just a few weeks ago?

    I still remember having marks deducted in junior school for answering that the light does not turn on instantly after switching the button on.

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    [–] 14 points 1 month ago (35 children)

    You can go read on r/teachers (https://redlib.catsarch.com/r/Teachers) just how bad this shit is getting--both phone use, and AI use for assignments.

    We seriously need to completely ban both phones and AI use in grade school. Back to pencil and paper, and "show your work". The kids coming out of high school now can barely read, beyond texting. It's frightening.

    If you give a fuck about your kids, you'll make sure they can read and write, because the schools don't give a fuck about your kids.

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    [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    Mamdaniiiiiiiii!!! ~(つˆ0ˆ)つ。☆

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    Hell, I think it's more important to ban it in high school.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago*

    The health of the nation requires a citizenry capable of critical thinking to draw upon to manage and direct the fate of the nation. Now, obviously, the wealthy don't want anyone but themselves to be capable of such a thing. So here we are.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I'm glad someone's trying to do anything at all about it. People asking "what about at home", it's the parents fault then. Actually be involved with your kids lives...they won't be in yours that long and it's not a sacrifice to sit down with them and watch them do homework or anything at all really.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Do you realize how many parents work two full-time jobs? A lot, especially single parents. It's not as simple as "spend more time with your kids" when every 'free' moment you have is spent driving, preparing food, or doing basic chores / hygiene routines.

    I've worked many warehouse and similar jobs. There are a lot of parents who really love their children and express that by allowing themselves to be economically exploited every single minute of their life to guarantee their children a better future.

    Sure, there are also parents who just don't give a shit and park their kids on an iPad, but that has always been the case in one form or another. The trend where even caring parents are unable to spend enough time with their children is a consequence of a society-wide failure and the shameless embrace of capitalism.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago*

    Mamdani is giving me major mayor dysmorphia.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    I’ve asked this else where. Don’t get me wrong here, I agree with this and think it’s great. But how are they going to police this? Yes there are the ai bots to check for ai usage. But that only goes so far.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago*

    On an individual level, people mostly just follow the rules on their own. The spectre of some large and unknowable punishment is usually enough to enforce something like this. If 25% of people break the rule because they aren't afraid... You don't have to find all of them and punish them. You can just find a couple and punish them harshly, occasionally, decreasing the number of people who aren't afraid of rhe consequences.

    Aside from that, this is implicitly a statement that school admins and teachers aren't allowed to push LLM usage on students. That's FAR more enforceable.

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    [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    It's a start.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    They should ban that shit until you graduate college.the kids who are nerds will always figure out a way. The rest who are not into computers and such definitely should stay the fuck away. If you're not careful you'll become a zombie that works to pay for access to his brains as a rental subscription.

    That's just so messed up. It should not just be banned but down right illegal to sell an AI subscription if the data used was stolen from the public in the first place.

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