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[–] 59 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

If corporations are people, every dollar they spend should be 100% supported by every member of said corporation. You think the janitor wants to donate millions to fascists? Because right now it looks like they do. Forced speech like that should be illegal.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 weeks ago

    If corporations are people, then they need to pay all their dependants' taxes, and their own. Also, PPS (Personnel Protective Services) should take all the "children" away from toxic and abusive companies, and place them at companies that value their workers.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    The employees aren't members. The stockholders are.

    Your point may still be valid, but the motivations of the stockholders are likely different than the motivations of the employees.

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  • [–] 45 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    The US was over the minute this happened

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  • [–] 22 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    I just can't comprehend how those SC judges were able to justify this to themselves. The reasoning seems absurd.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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    [–] 23 points 2 weeks ago

    This was a line that should have never been crossed, perhaps the last nail in the coffin of the USA.

    Once you open up campaigns to unlimited corporate and billionaire donations, it's precedent, it's done.

    Politics in the USA is now the easiest way to acquire generational wealth without inheriting it. Nancy Pelosi's family is set for generations. Trump's family is now financially secure for centuries. They're not hiding it.

    They won't give up that money willingly.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

    If corporations are people, they should pay the same taxes.

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    Billionaires aren’t people either

    More seriously: this line of reasoning has always struck me as incredibly contrived and facile:

    • Speech is not subject to the rule of scarcity, and is “free” (as in beer); as such, given a supply of food, water, and breathable air, a person could theoretically speak indefinitely. One’s wealth does not nominally affect how much speech they can output.
    • Money is subject to the rule of scarcity, and is not “free” (as in beer); as such, a person has access to substantially different amounts of money based on their personal circumstances, family, upbringing, birth country, etc.; one’s wealth has direct bearing on how much money they can output (and “speak” with).
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  • [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Nothing the Cons do is about helping anyone but themselves. Our country is too stupid to realize that.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    I agree, but there's at least a few decent candidates who will be on ballots in November who know how to be entertaining, and they'll attract the stupid ones who only pay attention to the candidates who make the biggest spectacle.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    If corporations are people, we should lock them up for crimes. We should charge personal income tax, charge for social security, and give them the death penalty for murder.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    tbf, people should not be able to buy politicians either.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago

    Citizens United was never about helping people

    I can't believe it. An organization originally created to get Michael Moore's movies banned from theaters on the grounds that it was a form of campaign spending? These are the people with nefarious intent?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago

    Another take is that if money is speech then money is fraud, terrorism, fascist oppression, and servitude to foreign interests. So liars who are platformed by media should have all their money taken from them, as well as all media shareholders dispossessed/diluted through nationalization of their shares, and the board of directors/executives of said media also be zeroed out financially.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Americans are done. America is done.

    The time to fight this was before it became law.

    It's over can't you accept it?? We all saw this happening in front of our eyes but Americans sat on their hands and did nothing and let it happen.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago

    If they are people they should be able to go to prison like people.

    Hey if corporations are people, and you own one, does that make you a slave owner?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    There don't seem to be nearly enough attempts to force corporations to explain exactly what their money is trying to say when they donate to candidates from both parties, as many of them have done and still do.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    The most idyllic names often hide the worst legislation.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago

    Johnny Harris made an excellent video about money in US elections: https://youtu.be/-NuXpwB2DV4

    People were way too scared about companies buying politicians. It turns out that the real danger did not come from companies, but from their rich owners.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago

    Au contraire, it is absolutely about helping people - the only people that matter (to themselves) - the billionaire oligarch class.

    (i.e. I do not actually disagree)

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    I wonder if he preferred that they leave the empty podium up there to remind all viewers that Mike Rogers is a weak little bitch, or if he'd have preferred they just do away with the debate format, sit in chairs and have a long-form interview.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    How UNAMERICAN of Him!

    -Republicans who HATE Billionaires!

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