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[–] 213 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (54 children)

Official explanation: The Holy Spirit narrated to the author. This can be quite removed, some books were written many years after the event, some were passed down.

A few centuries later, the Council of Nicea went through all of these texts and decided, "This is real, we can tell, we're putting this in the Bible. That... that other stuff is fake, yuck! Gross. Heresy."

They also resolved a pressing issue for the new church. "Priests, please stop cutting your balls off, that is a metaphor, not literal instruction. Even though He said that they were literal instructions, that was also a metaphor."

"Oh, just one more thing... you can't get married. No, He didn't say that, but we're inspired by the Magic Bird, so mote it be."

You probably think I'm joking.... but sadly, no.

p.s. the church pays no taxes womp womp

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  • [–] 58 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

    My favorite bit of Christian lore is the time that predestination became a widespread belief. People cursed god and the church and sinned 30x harder, recognizing that if they did it, they were always meant to. In the absence of choice, people found hedonism not just agreeable but compulsory. Then the church solved that issue by telling people that they could actually get into heaven by paying. People got so pissed off that a sect splintered off, and I think that how we got Protestants.

    Someone please tell me how many different events I erroneously mixed together.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    people found hedonism not just agreeable but compulsory.

    .,.

    People got so pissed off that a sect splintered off, and I think that how we got Protestants.

    I think something is missing or the Protestants would be Hedonists.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 weeks ago

    Then the church solved that issue by telling people that they could actually get into heaven by paying. People got so pissed off that a sect splintered off, and I think that how we got Protestants.

    OP here is referring to the fact that the Catholic church was selling indulgences (basically get out of purgatory free cards), and that is what led Martin Luther to publish the Ninety-five Theses, calling them out on it. This is generally considered to be the starting point for the Protestant Reformation.

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  • [–] 35 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Official explanation: The Holy Spirit narrated to the author.

    You mean the four authors who all wrote the same story but slightly different?

    Holy spirit talking to people must have been common back then. Strange how it just stopped.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

    Some of the other writings that didn't make the cut for the canonical bible are wild.

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    [–] 48 points 2 weeks ago (39 children)

    My favourite thing about the Bible is that every time it's been translated the people doing the translations include they're own nonsense.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (35 children)

    My favorite thing about the Bible is that the gospels were written by followers of the disciples, who themselves didn't know how to read or write, in Aramaic, then translated to Greek, then to Latin, then censored by the council of Nicea, then finally translated into English with the Geneva, then quickly edited by the commission of King James, because the J-Sauce was very socialist and anti-government.

    And the atheists who want to quote terrible things mentioned in the bible are pulling from the Old Testament, specifically a book of law written by the King Joshua, 800 years before Jesus, and proclaim that people proclaim it to be the word of God.

    So, ok: we have so many translations, literally a mass obliteration of Cathars, as well as other Inquisitions... now, you wanna tell me you know jack shit about the bible and tell me things didn't happen?

    Ok. Cool, bro.

    Edit: btw, the two loaves of bread and five fish story was about a 12 year old boy. Jesus didn't magic shit other than inspiration in that story. Lost in translation/Nicea/government. You may be kept hidden from the teachings, because Jesus was punk fucking rock.

    And a King didn't want you to even know it! That's my point, good ol' JKV that every goddamn "scholar" quotes from.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Apologies, I'm going to do something that I think is kind of a jerk move and paste my standard argument for a very specific point. It's a jerk move because I see that you wrote a genuine reply and I appreciate that. I don't know enough about the specific points that you raised to discuss them directly, so I'm falling back on my broader thinking. To that end, I'm truly trying to contribute to the discussion (even though I'm pasting a repeated(-by-me) blurb; see my sibling post; I'm pretty into this topic). I respect your views even if we disagree, so long as you don't try to impose them on others, which I'm not saying you do / did.

    Jesus is an ahistorical figure who was originally crucified in the firmament above the earth. Notice no mention of an earthly ministry in the Pauline epistles; Paul is arguing for salvation from a heavenly figure. In his letters, Jesus is still to be revealed, rather than returning. Only decades later did the stories about a human man get written.

    The Didache was most likely part of the letter written by the “pillars in Jerusalem” (James the Just, Peter, and John) after their meeting with Paul. This was the meeting to discuss the matter of preaching to gentiles and whether circumcision ought to be required for christian converts. It contains many of the tenets later ascribed to Jesus, but doesn’t associate him with teaching them.

    The reason the earthly story was embraced by the church was to stop people like Paul from having visions of Christ that the church couldn’t control. By pointing to a real guy on earth, they could control the message. Otherwise, any yokel on the street could teach that Jesus revealed new teachings and the church risked being undermined.

    Marcion was probably the first to create a collection of writings associated with christianity: he collected some of Paul’s letters and had his own gospel. It was thought that he had a shortened version of Luke (as testified by Eusebius and Tertullian). Marcion, however, claimed that his gospel had been “judaized”; this suggests that his shorter version was the original gospel before others modified it.

    Acts was written as a direct response to Marcion’s scripture. It was written to harmonize Paul’s high-jacking of the religion by making he and Peter appear to be in alignment when actually he was at odds with the leaders in Jerusalem.

    The Jerusalem pillars (James, Peter, John), were strict adherents of Judaism, whereas Paul taught that Jesus made the Law / Torah unnecessary. They were almost certainly Essenes, one of the three flavors of Judaism at the time (the other two were the Pharisees and Sadducees mentioned in the new testament). John the Baptist was clearly also an Essene. He’s said to wear camel’s hair with a leather belt around his waist and ate locusts and honey. His practice of baptism also aligns with daily ritual water immersion believed to be a core practice of the Essenes.

    This is a very long way of saying that Jesus first appeared in visions and spoke to the early leaders without walking on earth. It’s a fringe belief about which I was quite skeptical, but damn if the evidence doesn’t line up. See Robert Price, Earl Doherty, and Elbe Spurling for more info. Elbe’s online book is free and contains a huge amount of historical information about the region at the.

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    [–] 40 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

    My favorite part of the Bible is Matthew 21:33-45; basically killing landlords is cool and the people who do the work deserve the reward

    33 “Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and moved to another place. 34 When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit.

    35 “The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36 Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37 Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.

    38 “But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

    40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”

    41 “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”

    42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

    "‘The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes’[h]?

    43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44 Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.”

    45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them. 46 They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    Dude, my favorite is 2Kings 2:23:24

    "Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, 'Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!' When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number."

    God kills 42 kids for calling someone bald LOL

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    That verse is funny as fuck, definitely up there with some of the best. Along with killing all of the pigs being raised for food in a village, because they were all apparently possessed by an army of demons

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago* (3 children)

    "Killing?" Even when mocking an opponent, at least be accurate; the demons possessed the pigs who then rushed into water and drowned themselves: https://biblehub.com/mark/5-13.htm

    Then the villagers pleaded with Jesus to leave due to having wrecked their economy. Whether Jesus did it because He's Jewish/anti-pork or that just happened to be what the demons weirdly chose to do (or if it, uh, happened at all, of course), we may never know... But that is how the account goes, regardless.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Yeah, but also Jesus, also in Matthew, just 4 chapters later:

    “For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted to them his property. To one he gave five talents, to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master’s money. Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here, I have made five talents more.’ His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here, I have made two talents more.’ His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here, you have what is yours.’ But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’”

    Jesus was kind of a dick.

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    [–] 34 points 2 weeks ago (23 children)

    The new testament was written like a hundred years after Jesus died. Its entirely bullshit.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 weeks ago (22 children)

    It's an oral history whose earliest written accounts are dates between 60-150 years after the events in questions.

    No more "bullshit" than any number of other 2000 year old transcribed histories.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    Hey now don't oversimplify it!

    We all know about Joseph Smith and the stones in a hat.

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    [–] 30 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    The part where Moses writes down his own death and funeral is also pretty trippy.

    I also like how John keeps saying "BTW Jesus totally liked me more than the other disciples. Beloved, even."

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  • [–] 20 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Mine is when the Israelites slaughtered entire cities and then they made kids sing about it at Bible Camp.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago

    Mine is the part where Moses went up the mountain, tripped balls for a while, write down some laws, came back down and threw a fit because the people had relapsed into their old religion, and smashed the law tablets like a dumbass.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

    I still think it's wild that no one really talks about how the order of the books after the gospels is shortest to longest with Revalation (some truly crazy ass shit) tacked on at the end.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    The best part, in my opinion, is the extra ending in Mark. This was the original ending, which is an absolute banger:

    When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus' body. 2 Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb 3 and they asked each other, "Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?"

    But when they looked up, they saw that the stone, which was very large, had been rolled away. 5 As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed.

    "Don't be alarmed," he said. "You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him. 7 But go, tell his disciples and Peter, ‘He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.'"

    Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid.

    This is in later versions, likely because someone copying the text found the ending to be insufficient:

    When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons. She went and told those who had been with him and who were mourning and weeping. When they heard that Jesus was alive and that she had seen him, they did not believe it.

    Afterward Jesus appeared in a different form to two of them while they were walking in the country. These returned and reported it to the rest; but they did not believe them either.

    Later Jesus appeared to the Eleven as they were eating; he rebuked them for their lack of faith and their stubborn refusal to believe those who had seen him after he had risen.

    He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

    After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.

    But remember, kids: the bible is all true and infallible and the word of god and whatever other crap they tell you.

    Criticism aside, I'm a hardcore atheist and reading about the history of early christianity (first ~300 years) was absolutely fascinating and I'd recommend checking out the subject to others who oppose organized religion. Bart Ehrman would be a good starting point, though can you go down quite a rabbit hole beyond his writing. This might be a good jumping off point: How Jesus Became God

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    [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    666 likes, 9 dislikes and 63 comments 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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    [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    My favorite part is how well it can be used to light a fireplace. Just tear out some pages, put some wood over it and light it. Secundair use is rolling paper when you've run out.

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    [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Just the fact that he needed to talk to him is a problem enough. I was raised with the understanding that they were the same person.

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    [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Religion is such a mindfuck. And life-fuck.

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    [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

    Can you cite these passages? Because from my memory, when he's praying alone, the content of his prayer isn't recorded and that barely happens at all. There are other things that show that the gospels aren't historical but please stick to the facts.

    Edit: I was wrong, it actually does happen:

    Then he said to them, ‘My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me.’ Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.’ Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. ‘Couldn’t you men keep watch with me for one hour?’ he asked Peter. ‘Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.’

    Matthew 26;38-41

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    [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    God spoke to the writers of the gospels and told them to write down the story.

    I mean I have no idea why each version of the same story is different. Maybe different timelines, dimensions?

    God works in mysterious ways. 🤷‍♂️

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